Luger Carbine

Hub · 05-06-2003, 08:37 PM

I finally got back to working on the carbine and could not find a barrel that was up to the standards I wanted. So I now have a 9MM barrel blank and am in the process of making a barrel. I need some help as I have not found a picture or drawing that gives me the details I need. So if there are any of you that have a good picture or drawing of a carbine barrel that you could share with me it would be appreciated. I would need to know the length of the barr

el if it is a picture so I could interpolate the other dimns. Thanks in advance for the help and hope to have pictures of the finished piece here on the forum when finished. It has become quite a project and makes me admire the German craftsmen of that time even more.
Neil Keller

Jim Keenan · 05-09-2003, 03:06 PM

I will see what I can find but am cut off from my library at the moment. The tricky part is not making the barrel, it is making the foreend hanger. If you can do that and get the foreend fitted, the barrel is mostly simple lathe work.

Jim

Thor · 05-09-2003, 04:13 PM

I think Don Hamilton has some original drawings of the Carbine including the frame extention, I will check with him!

Don H. · 05-09-2003, 07:29 PM

I have several drawings (blue Prints) for a carbine that include the stock and stock iron,butt plate,forearm,front sight and barrel,cleaning rod(grease barrel type),forearm attachments, and stock sling swivels.Also have the checkering patterns for the stock and forearm. I think this will help. I remember that I looked high and low for this info. before I found it. It would be nice to get it all posted on the forum for everyone's use but I'm not computer smart enough to do it.Why don't I fax it to you free of charge in return you get it on the forum somehow for everyone? Thanks Don

Hub · 05-09-2003, 08:39 PM

Thanks For all the replys. Don the fax number is 260 728 2153 and if any body else is interested I'll get them on the web. As far as the front hanger I plan to tig weld it as well as any other pts vs silver solder. I realize that the barrel is a (simple?) lathe job but I want it as correct as possible. Almost to the point of regestering it as a short barrel rifle, but probably go to the 16 1/2 route. As I look at it the real challenges are the small parts as the front and real sights. Then of course the stock and forarm. Thaks to all for the help
Neil

Thor · 05-09-2003, 10:05 PM

Neil, I have been excited about this project (I heard about it at least a year ago) since then. Any chance you might make a few of these! I am sure folks that cant afford an original would love to have one.

Don H. · 05-09-2003, 10:37 PM

Hub the reason I got these prints is so that my father who builds custom hunting rifles could build me s stock for my 1920 long barrel. Maybe I could get Ted to post a pics. of it sometime soon.I just sent the fax. If they didn't come through alright let me know and I will send them to you. Don

Thor · 05-09-2003, 10:47 PM

Carbine Stock Picture

Hub · 05-09-2003, 10:50 PM

Thor, As far as building more than one I would like to get a little farther along with this one. But, it sure would not hurt to put a Luger back that has the stock lug and a receiever that is in decent shape. I had thought about making a few of each part as I processed just for that perpose. Of course I still have to keep my present customers happy while bilding the carbine. And I thought semi-retirement gave many extra leisure hours.
Neil

John Sabato · 05-10-2003, 02:17 AM

Don H.

Fax quality wouldn't do the prints justice to be posted on the Lugerforum website, but if you can make me a good photocopy and snail mail it to me I will hi-resolution scan them and post the prints in a Member Gallery album for all to be able to see and download.

I will send you a private message with my snail mail address if that is okay?

Hub · 05-10-2003, 04:55 PM

Don,
got the prints and they will be a great help, Thanks again

Don H. · 05-10-2003, 11:00 PM

Hub what did you think of the stock? As you can see from the prints there is also a diagram of the butt plate. My father took a piece of black ebony and glued it to the stock then worked it down. After that he cut the lines in it according to the prints then drilled two holes and put two counter sunk screws in it. You wouldn't know by looking that it wasn't a real butt plate. The picture doesn't show it to good. Thought this might help if you're going to make one. Don

Hub · 05-13-2003, 10:16 PM

Don, I did not get the picture but the prints wil help. You Father must be a real craftsman when it come to wood working. Would he be interested in a Luger project?

Don H. · 05-13-2003, 10:59 PM

Hub I could ask him. I remember him having a hard time with mine. Fitting the stock iron was the real pain. I will let you know. Don

Don H. · 05-14-2003, 11:11 AM

Hub go to Thor's post about seven back and click on Carbine Stock Pic.

Daniel · 05-15-2003, 05:53 AM

Hello Hub,
I have a couple of carbines; a 1902 in 9mm and a 1920 in 9mm. Maybe I can help with pics and measurements.

Hub · 05-17-2003, 09:40 AM

Daniel,
I sure would appricate the photos especially of the barrel and rear sight. If you could contact me at kellers@mchsi.com with a phone # I would call and we could disuss the pictures. Thanks
Neil

sheepherder · 01-08-2014, 05:53 PM

Does anyone [coff*John?*coff] know what happened to the blueprints being posted??? Does anyone [Hub, Don H., John Sabato] have the prints???

We seem to have progressed to the point where 3 or 4 of the members here have the tooling and ability to do a carbine...Maybe even already have...

But prints/drawings/measurements would be a great help...

John Sabato · 01-09-2014, 09:51 AM

I never received the prints let me check with Don and find out if they're still available.

flytrout · 01-09-2014, 10:36 AM

Hi John, I too would love to have the prints. I'm in the beginning of a carbine build. Thanks

05-06-2003, 08:37 PM	#1
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Luger Carbine I finally got back to working on the carbine and could not find a barrel that was up to the standards I wanted. So I now have a 9MM barrel blank and am in the process of making a barrel. I need some help as I have not found a picture or drawing that gives me the details I need. So if there are any of you that have a good picture or drawing of a carbine barrel that you could share with me it would be appreciated. I would need to know the length of the barr el if it is a picture so I could interpolate the other dimns. Thanks in advance for the help and hope to have pictures of the finished piece here on the forum when finished. It has become quite a project and makes me admire the German craftsmen of that time even more. Neil Keller

05-09-2003, 04:13 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I think Don Hamilton has some original drawings of the Carbine including the frame extention, I will check with him! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-09-2003, 10:05 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Neil, I have been excited about this project (I heard about it at least a year ago) since then. Any chance you might make a few of these! I am sure folks that cant afford an original would love to have one. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-09-2003, 10:47 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Carbine Stock Picture __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-10-2003, 02:17 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Don H. Fax quality wouldn't do the prints justice to be posted on the Lugerforum website, but if you can make me a good photocopy and snail mail it to me I will hi-resolution scan them and post the prints in a Member Gallery album for all to be able to see and download. I will send you a private message with my snail mail address if that is okay? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-09-2003, 03:06 PM	#2
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I will see what I can find but am cut off from my library at the moment. The tricky part is not making the barrel, it is making the foreend hanger. If you can do that and get the foreend fitted, the barrel is mostly simple lathe work. Jim

05-09-2003, 07:29 PM	#4
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	I have several drawings (blue Prints) for a carbine that include the stock and stock iron,butt plate,forearm,front sight and barrel,cleaning rod(grease barrel type),forearm attachments, and stock sling swivels.Also have the checkering patterns for the stock and forearm. I think this will help. I remember that I looked high and low for this info. before I found it. It would be nice to get it all posted on the forum for everyone's use but I'm not computer smart enough to do it.Why don't I fax it to you free of charge in return you get it on the forum somehow for everyone? Thanks Don

05-09-2003, 08:39 PM	#5
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks For all the replys. Don the fax number is 260 728 2153 and if any body else is interested I'll get them on the web. As far as the front hanger I plan to tig weld it as well as any other pts vs silver solder. I realize that the barrel is a (simple?) lathe job but I want it as correct as possible. Almost to the point of regestering it as a short barrel rifle, but probably go to the 16 1/2 route. As I look at it the real challenges are the small parts as the front and real sights. Then of course the stock and forarm. Thaks to all for the help Neil

05-09-2003, 10:37 PM	#7
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Hub the reason I got these prints is so that my father who builds custom hunting rifles could build me s stock for my 1920 long barrel. Maybe I could get Ted to post a pics. of it sometime soon.I just sent the fax. If they didn't come through alright let me know and I will send them to you. Don

05-09-2003, 10:50 PM	#9
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thor, As far as building more than one I would like to get a little farther along with this one. But, it sure would not hurt to put a Luger back that has the stock lug and a receiever that is in decent shape. I had thought about making a few of each part as I processed just for that perpose. Of course I still have to keep my present customers happy while bilding the carbine. And I thought semi-retirement gave many extra leisure hours. Neil

05-10-2003, 04:55 PM	#11
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Don, got the prints and they will be a great help, Thanks again

05-10-2003, 11:00 PM	#12
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Hub what did you think of the stock? As you can see from the prints there is also a diagram of the butt plate. My father took a piece of black ebony and glued it to the stock then worked it down. After that he cut the lines in it according to the prints then drilled two holes and put two counter sunk screws in it. You wouldn't know by looking that it wasn't a real butt plate. The picture doesn't show it to good. Thought this might help if you're going to make one. Don

05-13-2003, 10:16 PM	#13
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Don, I did not get the picture but the prints wil help. You Father must be a real craftsman when it come to wood working. Would he be interested in a Luger project?

05-13-2003, 10:59 PM	#14
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Hub I could ask him. I remember him having a hard time with mine. Fitting the stock iron was the real pain. I will let you know. Don

05-14-2003, 11:11 AM	#15
Don H. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque,NM. Posts: 96 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts	Hub go to Thor's post about seven back and click on Carbine Stock Pic.

05-15-2003, 05:53 AM	#16
Daniel User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ct. and Ma. Posts: 152 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Hub, I have a couple of carbines; a 1902 in 9mm and a 1920 in 9mm. Maybe I can help with pics and measurements.

05-17-2003, 09:40 AM	#17
Hub User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Decatur, IN Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Daniel, I sure would appricate the photos especially of the barrel and rear sight. If you could contact me at kellers@mchsi.com with a phone # I would call and we could disuss the pictures. Thanks Neil

01-08-2014, 05:53 PM	#18
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Update??? Does anyone [coffJohn?coff] know what happened to the blueprints being posted??? Does anyone [Hub, Don H., John Sabato] have the prints??? We seem to have progressed to the point where 3 or 4 of the members here have the tooling and ability to do a carbine...Maybe even already have... But prints/drawings/measurements would be a great help... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-09-2014, 09:51 AM	#19
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I never received the prints let me check with Don and find out if they're still available. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-09-2014, 10:36 AM	#20
flytrout User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 25 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Carbine Hi John, I too would love to have the prints. I'm in the beginning of a carbine build. Thanks