Wyatt .45 Luger...

Pete Ebbink · 10-12-2006, 12:44 PM

Do any members have a Wyatt .45 luger in their collections ? If you do, how about posting some photos ?

I found this old copy of a 1960's magazine article :

Dwight Gruber · 10-12-2006, 01:46 PM

Pete,

Thanks very much for posting this. I don't have one, although I have examined one--someone brought it to the Portland gun show a few years ago to sell. I couldn't quite crack the $1k he wanted, or I'd have it now.

It was a round-barrel version, iirc the barrel was very thin-walled. I don't think it had target sights, but I could be wrong.

Interesting that the article talks up the trigger pull. Also interesting, is the author of the article--these guns are sometimes called Wyatt-Imthurn.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 10-12-2006, 01:59 PM

Dwight,

I've sent you high-resolution versions of these photo scans...figured you might like a better version for your files.

Edward Tinker · 10-12-2006, 05:23 PM

When I was at the Lugerfest in Arizona 4 or 5 years ago, Ralph had one on consignment, I think it was around 1.2 k, I should have bought it. I remember that they fed from the top, and if they held five there was no magazine.

Ed

Ron Wood · 10-12-2006, 05:36 PM

They are multi-shot, and they are loaded from the top. The bottom of the magazine well is plugged and the entire grip becomes the magazine to accommodate the increased length and width of the .45 round. A special follower and spring completes the modification. There is a slot in the right grip that permits the insertion of a rod to pull down the follower during loading...pretty much like using a tool to load a regular magazine.

10-12-2006, 09:48 PM

Mike Morris from Texas had one for sale at the Tulsa gun show about two years ago.

Pete Ebbink · 10-14-2006, 07:57 PM

Dwight and all,

Here is a link to the US Patent # 3039366 granted in 1959 and 1962 to Elmer Imthurn and Kenneth Wyatt.

Looks like one of the developers and patent-holders was a gun editor and placed the article in the "Gun" magazine to drum up interest in their venture...

On the right-side illustration view of the luger, it appears they may have been planning a cartridge-counter type "window" in the right grip panel...

http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3039366

Edward Tinker · 10-14-2006, 11:05 PM

At the Conn. gunshow I saw a Wyatt today, they wanted $2900 for it. It had a really long barrel, maybe 10 or 12 inches long. I did not get a chance to look at it, as they were busy for a while and I forgot...

Ron Wood · 10-15-2006, 12:38 AM

Pete,
See my earlier post...the "window" facilitated loading - [There is a slot in the right grip that permits the insertion of a rod to pull down the follower during loading...pretty much like using a tool to load a regular magazine]

Pete Ebbink · 10-15-2006, 11:50 AM

Thanks, Ron...missed your "slot" comment, above.

Does anyone know how many were made ???

Edward Tinker · 10-15-2006, 11:52 AM

At least the four I have seen Pete

Seriosuly, somewhere I think I heard less than a 1,000, I would guess much less than that. My guess is around a 100?

Ed

weico · 03-29-2008, 05:29 AM

Nice Pic's from a WYATT-IMTHURN LUGER TARGET :

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4712

weico

lfid · 12-13-2009, 12:06 AM

if of interest , there is a pdf of the wyatt imthurn patent for wyatt 45 luger conversion at url
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3039366.pdf

enjoy

Im still looking for an example for sale of custom luger target conversion - dewey , wyatt , volquartsen , rettinger , etc

Bill

10-12-2006, 12:44 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Wyatt .45 Luger... Do any members have a Wyatt .45 luger in their collections ? If you do, how about posting some photos ? I found this old copy of a 1960's magazine article :

10-12-2006, 05:36 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	They are multi-shot, and they are loaded from the top. The bottom of the magazine well is plugged and the entire grip becomes the magazine to accommodate the increased length and width of the .45 round. A special follower and spring completes the modification. There is a slot in the right grip that permits the insertion of a rod to pull down the follower during loading...pretty much like using a tool to load a regular magazine. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-14-2006, 11:05 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	At the Conn. gunshow I saw a Wyatt today, they wanted $2900 for it. It had a really long barrel, maybe 10 or 12 inches long. I did not get a chance to look at it, as they were busy for a while and I forgot... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-15-2006, 12:38 AM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Pete, See my earlier post...the "window" facilitated loading - [There is a slot in the right grip that permits the insertion of a rod to pull down the follower during loading...pretty much like using a tool to load a regular magazine] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-13-2009, 12:06 AM	#13
lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	wyatt luger patent if of interest , there is a pdf of the wyatt imthurn patent for wyatt 45 luger conversion at url http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3039366.pdf enjoy Im still looking for an example for sale of custom luger target conversion - dewey , wyatt , volquartsen , rettinger , etc Bill Last edited by lfid; 12-13-2009 at 12:10 AM. Reason: fix link

10-12-2006, 01:46 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Pete, Thanks very much for posting this. I don't have one, although I have examined one--someone brought it to the Portland gun show a few years ago to sell. I couldn't quite crack the $1k he wanted, or I'd have it now. It was a round-barrel version, iirc the barrel was very thin-walled. I don't think it had target sights, but I could be wrong. Interesting that the article talks up the trigger pull. Also interesting, is the author of the article--these guns are sometimes called Wyatt-Imthurn. --Dwight

10-12-2006, 01:59 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dwight, I've sent you high-resolution versions of these photo scans...figured you might like a better version for your files.

10-12-2006, 05:23 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	When I was at the Lugerfest in Arizona 4 or 5 years ago, Ralph had one on consignment, I think it was around 1.2 k, I should have bought it. I remember that they fed from the top, and if they held five there was no magazine. Ed

10-12-2006, 09:48 PM	#6
RGARRETT Guest Posts: n/a	Mike Morris from Texas had one for sale at the Tulsa gun show about two years ago.

10-14-2006, 07:57 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dwight and all, Here is a link to the US Patent # 3039366 granted in 1959 and 1962 to Elmer Imthurn and Kenneth Wyatt. Looks like one of the developers and patent-holders was a gun editor and placed the article in the "Gun" magazine to drum up interest in their venture... On the right-side illustration view of the luger, it appears they may have been planning a cartridge-counter type "window" in the right grip panel... http://v3.espacenet.com/pdfdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3039366

10-15-2006, 11:50 AM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Ron...missed your "slot" comment, above. Does anyone know how many were made ???

10-15-2006, 11:52 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	At least the four I have seen Pete Seriosuly, somewhere I think I heard less than a 1,000, I would guess much less than that. My guess is around a 100? Ed

03-29-2008, 05:29 AM	#12
weico New User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nice Pic's from a WYATT-IMTHURN LUGER TARGET : http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...oducts_id=4712 weico