Simson Navy Rework

Ron Smith · 06-12-2005, 07:36 PM

A rare 1917/1920 Weimar Simson reworked Navy that I recently aquired.

Out of approximately 160 Weimar Navy reworks reported on pg 204-205 of Still's Weimar Lugers. Only one is a Simson rework.

Only about 4000 Lugers were in Navy service at the end of the Weimar Era. Of these only approx. 2000 bear N or O property numbers.(Still's Weimar Lugers pg 39.)

The bummer is that it is dipped and import marked, so it's going to get a limited restoration. It's all matching and in excellent condition with the exception of the side plate and trigger which are #97 and #18 respectively.

The ser# and navy markings have been shaved and the ser# has been pantographed back on.

The Weimar 1920 property stamp is very deeply struck. Much deeper than the original 1917 date.

The barrel bears the Simson rework proofs E/O and a U over a 5. Which I have not been able to confirm. It is not in Costanzos that I can find.

Note that the Navy large flange toggle pin has been replaced with a small flange pin. Indicating that the cannon is indeed an original navy piece.

Grip strap is unit marked to the Ostsee Station at Kiel.

I am in need of a Imperial DWM side plate #83 and a trigger #83 as well as a Navy large flange toggle pin. If anyone knows of a source or runs across these parts. I would be very interested and appreciative.

Thanks, Ron

Lugerdoc · 06-15-2005, 08:38 AM

Ron, I turned down a few Mauser Parabellum rear axels to the correct diameter for the 08 and later Navys @$25 each. I would bet that your Simson rework barrel proof is actually "Su/5" and the SU marking is shown in Costanzo. Tom

Ron Smith · 06-15-2005, 09:19 AM

Hi Tom,
I'll send you a check today. Does that price include shipping? My chances of finding an original are probably slim to none. Are the Mauser pins larger than DWMs?

I saw the Su/5 in Costanzo, but this has U stacked above the 5. Would it still be the same mark? I was under the impression that it should be in line and not stacked.

Thanks! Ron

Lugerdoc · 06-16-2005, 09:28 AM

Ron, I've seen the SU mark both above a number and in line. The original Mauser Parabellum main axels, have even a larger diameter flange than the Navys, so it's a lot easier to turn one of these down to the right diameter, than trying to build up a standard P08. TH

Ron Smith · 06-16-2005, 09:57 AM

Tom, Thanks for the information. I will be sending a check out today.

Ron

06-15-2005, 08:38 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ron, I turned down a few Mauser Parabellum rear axels to the correct diameter for the 08 and later Navys @$25 each. I would bet that your Simson rework barrel proof is actually "Su/5" and the SU marking is shown in Costanzo. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-15-2005, 09:19 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Tom, I'll send you a check today. Does that price include shipping? My chances of finding an original are probably slim to none. Are the Mauser pins larger than DWMs? I saw the Su/5 in Costanzo, but this has U stacked above the 5. Would it still be the same mark? I was under the impression that it should be in line and not stacked. Thanks! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-16-2005, 09:28 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Ron, I've seen the SU mark both above a number and in line. The original Mauser Parabellum main axels, have even a larger diameter flange than the Navys, so it's a lot easier to turn one of these down to the right diameter, than trying to build up a standard P08. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-16-2005, 09:57 AM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Tom, Thanks for the information. I will be sending a check out today. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-12-2005, 07:36 PM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Simson Navy Rework A rare 1917/1920 Weimar Simson reworked Navy that I recently aquired. Out of approximately 160 Weimar Navy reworks reported on pg 204-205 of Still's Weimar Lugers. Only one is a Simson rework. Only about 4000 Lugers were in Navy service at the end of the Weimar Era. Of these only approx. 2000 bear N or O property numbers.(Still's Weimar Lugers pg 39.) The bummer is that it is dipped and import marked, so it's going to get a limited restoration. It's all matching and in excellent condition with the exception of the side plate and trigger which are #97 and #18 respectively. The ser# and navy markings have been shaved and the ser# has been pantographed back on. The Weimar 1920 property stamp is very deeply struck. Much deeper than the original 1917 date. The barrel bears the Simson rework proofs E/O and a U over a 5. Which I have not been able to confirm. It is not in Costanzos that I can find. Note that the Navy large flange toggle pin has been replaced with a small flange pin. Indicating that the cannon is indeed an original navy piece. Grip strap is unit marked to the Ostsee Station at Kiel. I am in need of a Imperial DWM side plate #83 and a trigger #83 as well as a Navy large flange toggle pin. If anyone knows of a source or runs across these parts. I would be very interested and appreciative. Thanks, Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...