6 point star marking

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 11:08 AM

While trying to check the details on this gun I found something that must be a post-Costanzo mark. At least I can not find it in his book.

It is on the front sight base and it is a 6 point star. There is nothing inside the star, actually not enough room for anything.

DWM
1910
Police sear and mag safety
Unit mark 2. G. U.

The closest thing is #108 which is a much later marking and has the letter c in it for the Israeli marking.

I haven't been active in collecting for about 20 years so this may be a common thing that I just don't know about but any information will be appreciated.

guns3545 · 11-03-2013, 11:32 AM

Certainly the IDF used, and maybe still uses, a six-pointed star with a Hebrew character inside indicating the inspector.

However, don't think that this mark has anything to do with Palestine/Israel.

But... and I am not an expert on DWM's by any means, it could signify an assembler, or internal parts inspector at DWM. DWM used many characters, numbers, symbols for intermediate assembly and or parts inspections. This may be the case.

Now, in an area more familiar to me, Krieghoff from late 1936 through 1937, say from about SN 4000 to say SN 10,000 or so used the six-pointed star on the right side of the frame under the grip panel to signify FINAL Krieghoff inspection of the piece so it could proceed to Final LWaA inspection. This symbol not to be confused with the five-pointed Rejection stamp.

Just FYI, for early pieces they did not use a final inspection stamp and for their later guns they used the number 7 or or even later small letters in the frame well.

John

DavidJayUden · 11-03-2013, 01:26 PM

Is that gun .30 cal?
dju

George Anderson · 11-03-2013, 01:49 PM

Gary, the same marking appears on all of my 1910 DWMs and also on the 1911s that I checked. It actually appears to me to be an asterisk rather than a star.

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by guns3545

Certainly the IDF used, and maybe still uses, a six-pointed star with a Hebrew character inside indicating the inspector.

However, don't think that this mark has anything to do with Palestine/Israel.

Agreed

Quote:

Originally Posted by guns3545

But... and I am not an expert on DWM's by any means, it could signify an assembler, or internal parts inspector at DWM. DWM used many characters, numbers, symbols for intermediate assembly and or parts inspections. This may be the case.

this seems to be a logical induction. The stamps that Sam lists on page 325 as being seen on the sight block are mostly not explained in his book and this could well just be one he had not seen.

Thanks for the info about Krieghoffs. Wish I was in a position where I could find out a lot more.... not any extras you'd like to send me as learning pieces.... hehe.

Thanks

Gary

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Is that gun .30 cal?
dju

9mm

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Gary, the same marking appears on all of my 1910 DWMs and also on the 1911s that I checked. It actually appears to me to be an asterisk rather than a star.

Thanks George. This is all of my 1910s but I do have a 1911 I'll dig out... humm, nope, that is an Erfurt...

I didn't go with Asterisk because the center is empty. I could not get a good picture of it (as you can see). It sure could be though. However, the 6 pointed star didn't carry the same connotations in WWI as post '33.

I can go with either. Sure glad you have more to check as it is rather interesting and I'll pen it into Sam's book. Just out of curiosity, how many lugers are we talking about and do they cover a wide range of numbers (time)?

Thanks again

Gary

Actually, the reason this beautiful piece is that price is because of this super secret marking right here. An underground Jewish organization that ferreted guns out of Europe to Israel, a forerunner of the American Hadassa Guns for the Freedom of Israel group. Trust me you'll never find another like it........Hay! come on, would I lie to you??

Nomadr · 11-03-2013, 07:10 PM

The star question has been brought up several times on several forums. It is thought to be a inspection mark and not at all uncommon. Found on many pre WWI through WWII weapons.

Also very common on pocket Mausers and C96s

Bob

sheepherder · 11-03-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

Actually, the reason this beautiful piece is that price is because of this super secret marking right here. An underground Jewish organization that ferreted guns out of Europe to Israel, a forerunner of the American Hadassa Guns for the Freedom of Israel group.

Gary, you have been completely misinformed...It is exactly the opposite...

George Anderson · 11-03-2013, 09:03 PM

Postino, I have to assume that you are joking. Perhaps in bad taste.

mystical_tutor · 11-03-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Postino, I have to assume that you are joking. Perhaps in bad taste.

Very bad taste George, that was supposed to be a secret. You don't dare put anything on the internet anymore......

Gary

sheepherder · 11-03-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Postino, I have to assume that you are joking. Perhaps in bad taste.

George, it is a scan from a book by Frederick Forsyth, "The Odessa File"...Excellent book; lousy movie...

11-03-2013, 11:08 AM	#1
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	6 point star marking While trying to check the details on this gun I found something that must be a post-Costanzo mark. At least I can not find it in his book. It is on the front sight base and it is a 6 point star. There is nothing inside the star, actually not enough room for anything. DWM 1910 Police sear and mag safety Unit mark 2. G. U. The closest thing is #108 which is a much later marking and has the letter c in it for the Israeli marking. I haven't been active in collecting for about 20 years so this may be a common thing that I just don't know about but any information will be appreciated. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

11-03-2013, 11:32 AM	#2
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 435 Thanks: 649 Thanked 490 Times in 216 Posts	Certainly the IDF used, and maybe still uses, a six-pointed star with a Hebrew character inside indicating the inspector. However, don't think that this mark has anything to do with Palestine/Israel. But... and I am not an expert on DWM's by any means, it could signify an assembler, or internal parts inspector at DWM. DWM used many characters, numbers, symbols for intermediate assembly and or parts inspections. This may be the case. Now, in an area more familiar to me, Krieghoff from late 1936 through 1937, say from about SN 4000 to say SN 10,000 or so used the six-pointed star on the right side of the frame under the grip panel to signify FINAL Krieghoff inspection of the piece so it could proceed to Final LWaA inspection. This symbol not to be confused with the five-pointed Rejection stamp. Just FYI, for early pieces they did not use a final inspection stamp and for their later guns they used the number 7 or or even later small letters in the frame well. John

11-03-2013, 01:26 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Is that gun .30 cal? dju

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Gary, the same marking appears on all of my 1910 DWMs and also on the 1911s that I checked. It actually appears to me to be an asterisk rather than a star.

11-03-2013, 07:10 PM	#8
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	The star question has been brought up several times on several forums. It is thought to be a inspection mark and not at all uncommon. Found on many pre WWI through WWII weapons. Also very common on pocket Mausers and C96s Bob

11-03-2013, 09:03 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Postino, I have to assume that you are joking. Perhaps in bad taste.