Interesting Arty Came Across my Desk Today...

trigger643 · 05-23-2009, 08:56 PM

Sorry for not being able to upload these pictures into the forum archive. They were slow to load and I got repeated "Websight Cannot Display this Image" once the file was completed...

1917 Run of the mill DWM... About 90% bluing, 40% straw. All matching except Mag and firing pin and excellent bore...

Note the "D.R." over winged wheel in circle on grip panel. Came with 1917 dated black holster which did not appear to be recolored and appears original.

An 84 year old gentleman brought this in today. He purchased it about 40 years ago along with an all matching (except mag) 1936 Mauser P08 @ about 95% blue and 20% straw with a frosted bore..

What is the marking on the grip and what is the mag unit ID? (L.P.Th.).

Direct links to the rest of the photos here:
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http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00340.jpg
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http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00342.jpg

what may appear to be frosting or rust to the finish is grease.

barry · 05-23-2009, 09:31 PM

This looks very nice to a newbie. What would a piece like this fetch in todays market? -Barry

Ron Wood · 05-23-2009, 09:44 PM

I am shooting from the hip here, but I think the DR marking may be Deutches Reichsbahn, a railroad security piece. The magazine marking is Landespolizei Thuringen (sp?) and doesn't belong with the gun.
I would be interested in the holster if it comes up for sale.
Thanks,
Ron

trigger643 · 05-23-2009, 09:52 PM

The individual that brought the guns in today reported that he'd bought them from a neighbor that had gotten into financial difficulty in the 1960's and that this neighbor had brought them home at the end of WWII. Pressed for further information the gentlemen with the pieces doesn't recall his name, what unit he was in or any further details on the pieces.

George Anderson · 05-24-2009, 09:06 AM

I believe Ron is correct, Deutches Reichsbahn. I saw another with this grip marking several years ago.

Lyn Islaub · 05-25-2009, 04:51 PM

Agree with George and Ron. I once owned a 1914 DWM with the same grip marking and George Wheeler confirmed that it was a Reichsbahn stamp.
Lyn

JTD · 05-25-2009, 07:16 PM

Were they all Artilleries? John

Ron Wood · 05-25-2009, 07:22 PM

No, the other one I saw was a 1908 pattern with 4" barrel.

Lyn Islaub · 05-25-2009, 11:24 PM

My 1914 had a 4" barrel.
Lyn

JTD · 05-26-2009, 06:01 AM

Thanks for reply, I have never seen one. John

05-23-2009, 08:56 PM	#1
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Interesting Arty Came Across my Desk Today... Sorry for not being able to upload these pictures into the forum archive. They were slow to load and I got repeated "Websight Cannot Display this Image" once the file was completed... 1917 Run of the mill DWM... About 90% bluing, 40% straw. All matching except Mag and firing pin and excellent bore... Note the "D.R." over winged wheel in circle on grip panel. Came with 1917 dated black holster which did not appear to be recolored and appears original. An 84 year old gentleman brought this in today. He purchased it about 40 years ago along with an all matching (except mag) 1936 Mauser P08 @ about 95% blue and 20% straw with a frosted bore.. What is the marking on the grip and what is the mag unit ID? (L.P.Th.). Direct links to the rest of the photos here: http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00330.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00333.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00338.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00340.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00341.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/DSC00342.jpg what may appear to be frosting or rust to the finish is grease. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

05-23-2009, 09:31 PM	#2
barry User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Kalifornia Posts: 34 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	1917 This looks very nice to a newbie. What would a piece like this fetch in todays market? -Barry

05-23-2009, 09:44 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I am shooting from the hip here, but I think the DR marking may be Deutches Reichsbahn, a railroad security piece. The magazine marking is Landespolizei Thuringen (sp?) and doesn't belong with the gun. I would be interested in the holster if it comes up for sale. Thanks, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-23-2009, 09:52 PM	#4
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The individual that brought the guns in today reported that he'd bought them from a neighbor that had gotten into financial difficulty in the 1960's and that this neighbor had brought them home at the end of WWII. Pressed for further information the gentlemen with the pieces doesn't recall his name, what unit he was in or any further details on the pieces. __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

05-25-2009, 07:22 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	No, the other one I saw was a 1908 pattern with 4" barrel. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-24-2009, 09:06 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I believe Ron is correct, Deutches Reichsbahn. I saw another with this grip marking several years ago.

05-25-2009, 04:51 PM	#6
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Agree with George and Ron. I once owned a 1914 DWM with the same grip marking and George Wheeler confirmed that it was a Reichsbahn stamp. Lyn

05-25-2009, 07:16 PM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 217 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Were they all Artilleries? John

05-25-2009, 11:24 PM	#9
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	My 1914 had a 4" barrel. Lyn

05-26-2009, 06:01 AM	#10
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 424 Thanks: 217 Thanked 407 Times in 148 Posts	Thanks for reply, I have never seen one. John