Mauser American Eagle

peyton · 04-28-2008, 10:02 AM

My father in law inherited this, and I offered to find out some details. It says Mauser parabellum on left side, has American Eagle on top. I am in Baghdad, and awaiting more pictures. It looks in very good condition. I asked my son in law for the serial number plus a photo of the right side

thanks

Peyton

Edward Tinker · 04-28-2008, 11:09 AM

Welcome to the forum. It is most likely a 1970's made mauser luger, made by the original company, but many years later.

More pictures and information, such as serial number would help verify this.

My son is just north of Bahgdad, has beent there the last year.

ed

John Sabato · 04-28-2008, 02:13 PM

Let me add my Welcome to the Lugerforum too. My son-in-law is also just outside of Baghdad... but I can't pinpoint a location because he is constantly on the move... His last reported location was FOB Falcon...

I agree with Ed, that the gun is a Mauser-made Swiss-pattern reproduction manufactured in the 1970's.... but the serial number of your Luger will tell the story of the year it was made...

Vlim · 04-28-2008, 02:22 PM

Hi,

Calling the Mauser Parabellum a reproduction is not what I would do.

It is an original Mauser gun, made by the original company, but in the 1970s. The style is based more on the Swiss Model 1929 style than on the P08 style, one of the reasons they were not very popular back then. The other reason was the price. For about $40 you could buy a nice, original pre-1945 luger, while the Mauser Parabellum (the one shown) would cost a staggering $200 those days.

The version shown was made between 1970 and 1973.

mauro · 04-28-2008, 02:44 PM

Hello Peyton,
For additional info about this production you can also have a look at the followng topic:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...hp?forumid=132

and visit my web site: www.lugerlp08.com
selecting "Mauser Parabellum Area"

Have fun,
mauro

John Sabato · 04-28-2008, 02:53 PM

Gerben, If I recall correctly, one of the reasons that Mauser produced the Swiss pattern Luger in the '70s was that they acquired the Swiss manufacturing tools from Waffenfabrik Bern after Switzerland stopped producing the Parabellum... Am I correct about that?

Vlim · 04-28-2008, 03:15 PM

Hi John,

Yes, it was one of several 'not too bright ideas' the Mauser guys had. The tooling and drawings were pretty much useless because of different manufacturing standards. The old jigs could not be used on the modern machinery and drawings and calculations had to be done all over again. This was one of the things that influenced the eventual selling price.

peyton · 04-28-2008, 11:31 PM

Thanks for the info, he is interested in selling it. Would an offer of 1,500.00 be reasonable? Hie son has handled it and has no desire to fool with it.
FOB Falcon is a small place they have a good gym, chow hall and most sleep in two story iraqi army barracks. I travel also and got to watch the AFC championship game there last January.

Tomathvl · 04-29-2008, 08:20 AM

Peyton,
IMHO $1500 is too much. A Mauser new in the box with all accessories and paper work sells for between $900 and $1200.
Tom

John Sabato · 04-29-2008, 09:41 AM

I agree that $1500 would be too much right now... in a year, that may not be enough the way prices keep going up... I would say that somewhere comfortably between $1000 and $1200 is where you should be paying depending on how much you want to own it, and how much he wants to sell it... Good luck and let us know how you make out.

Aaron · 04-29-2008, 11:05 AM

I sold one recently in mint condition with no box or accessories for $900. The box and accessories (spare mag, loading tool, cleaning rod, papers) would add about $300.

peyton · 04-29-2008, 12:21 PM

Thanks for the sanity check. I was not sure where to start.

peyton · 05-31-2009, 02:13 AM

Well a year has passed and I am still in Baghdad!! The Mauser is still in FIL's safe and he has not budged on price. I went home on a short vacation, and did not get a chance to drive the 3 hours across texas to visit. It is funny I got the money since I have been sitting here, but I value your words of wisdom.

alvin · 05-31-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Hi,

Calling the Mauser Parabellum a reproduction is not what I would do.

It is an original Mauser gun, made by the original company, but in the 1970s. The style is based more on the Swiss Model 1929 style than on the P08 style, one of the reasons they were not very popular back then. The other reason was the price. For about $40 you could buy a nice, original pre-1945 luger, while the Mauser Parabellum (the one shown) would cost a staggering $200 those days.

The version shown was made between 1970 and 1973.

There is one thing that I cannot understand. Looks like Mauser like putting "Original Mauser" on its manuals. Even pre 1946 (in Weimar or Nazi era, I cannot remember exactly). Why did they emphasis on "Original" at that time?

On postwar Mauser, they even put "Original" on the toggle. Marketing in new era is understandable. In old era .... any specific reason? I have never seen "Original DWM", "Original Krieghoff", or "Original Simson" prints.... maybe they exist, but I've never seen one.

Vlim · 05-31-2009, 08:24 AM

Alvin,

'Original' was a marketing phrase that Mauser had used on and off since the 1930s. Many companies were producing Mauser rip-offs (the spanish C96 copies, 98 action copies, etc..) and it was just Mauser's idea of showing that the gun in question was made by Mauser themselves. They picked up the 1930s idea when they started again in the late sixties.

So, just marketing, nothing more, nothing less. Certainly no deeper meaning behind it.

Tomathvl · 05-31-2009, 08:52 AM

Jason,
If you like Lugers, I recommend you look for a 9mm P08 style. You can get a nice gun for $1000 and it will probably grow in value.
Let your FIL attempt to sell his gem on the market and he'll see what it's worth. If he doesn't have the box and papers he'll be lucky to get $750/$800 out of it.

Sieger · 05-31-2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Hi John,

Yes, it was one of several 'not too bright ideas' the Mauser guys had. The tooling and drawings were pretty much useless because of different manufacturing standards. The old jigs could not be used on the modern machinery and drawings and calculations had to be done all over again. This was one of the things that influenced the eventual selling price.

Vlim:

I have heard and read this many times.

Tell me, didn't the Germans know that their standards were different than the Swiss?

Why did the drawings have to be redone? Calculations, I can understand, if newer techniques were used in production.

Probably the least bright idea was not using the original German pattern in the first place, as the Swiss pattern was not generally accepted by the buying public.

Sieger

Sieger · 05-31-2009, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

I agree that $1500 would be too much right now... in a year, that may not be enough the way prices keep going up... I would say that somewhere comfortably between $1000 and $1200 is where you should be paying depending on how much you want to own it, and how much he wants to sell it... Good luck and let us know how you make out.

John:

If the market prices on GunBroker, etc., mean anything, these Mausers seem to be going down in price. Two really nice ones have sold, just last week, for under $900.00.

Sieger

alvin · 05-31-2009, 07:24 PM

Under $1k is not hard to find. But usually no box. Maybe sounds weird, that paper box worth some money. Was it numbered to the gun?

Sieger · 05-31-2009, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Under $1k is not hard to find. But usually no box. Maybe sounds weird, that paper box worth some money. Was it numbered to the gun?

Alvin:

Sorry, it was AuctionArms.

New in box, with all of the goodies, including the round, blue plastic "Mauser Wappen".

Swiss style, 9mm, $841.00.

Another Swiss style, 9mm, six inch (without box) $900.00.

If these keep falling, I'm going to start buying!

Sieger

P.S.: The box these came in (the white one) really looked cheap at the time, and still do now!!

04-28-2008, 10:02 AM	#1
peyton User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mauser American Eagle My father in law inherited this, and I offered to find out some details. It says Mauser parabellum on left side, has American Eagle on top. I am in Baghdad, and awaiting more pictures. It looks in very good condition. I asked my son in law for the serial number plus a photo of the right side thanks Peyton Attached Thumbnails

04-28-2008, 11:09 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Welcome to the forum. It is most likely a 1970's made mauser luger, made by the original company, but many years later. More pictures and information, such as serial number would help verify this. My son is just north of Bahgdad, has beent there the last year. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-28-2008, 02:13 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Let me add my Welcome to the Lugerforum too. My son-in-law is also just outside of Baghdad... but I can't pinpoint a location because he is constantly on the move... His last reported location was FOB Falcon... I agree with Ed, that the gun is a Mauser-made Swiss-pattern reproduction manufactured in the 1970's.... but the serial number of your Luger will tell the story of the year it was made... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-28-2008, 02:44 PM	#5
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Peyton, For additional info about this production you can also have a look at the followng topic: http://forum.lugerforum.com/forumdis...hp?forumid=132 and visit my web site: www.lugerlp08.com selecting "Mauser Parabellum Area" Have fun, mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

04-28-2008, 02:53 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Gerben, If I recall correctly, one of the reasons that Mauser produced the Swiss pattern Luger in the '70s was that they acquired the Swiss manufacturing tools from Waffenfabrik Bern after Switzerland stopped producing the Parabellum... Am I correct about that? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-28-2008, 02:22 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Hi, Calling the Mauser Parabellum a reproduction is not what I would do. It is an original Mauser gun, made by the original company, but in the 1970s. The style is based more on the Swiss Model 1929 style than on the P08 style, one of the reasons they were not very popular back then. The other reason was the price. For about $40 you could buy a nice, original pre-1945 luger, while the Mauser Parabellum (the one shown) would cost a staggering $200 those days. The version shown was made between 1970 and 1973.

04-28-2008, 03:15 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Hi John, Yes, it was one of several 'not too bright ideas' the Mauser guys had. The tooling and drawings were pretty much useless because of different manufacturing standards. The old jigs could not be used on the modern machinery and drawings and calculations had to be done all over again. This was one of the things that influenced the eventual selling price.

04-28-2008, 11:31 PM	#8
peyton User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info, he is interested in selling it. Would an offer of 1,500.00 be reasonable? Hie son has handled it and has no desire to fool with it. FOB Falcon is a small place they have a good gym, chow hall and most sleep in two story iraqi army barracks. I travel also and got to watch the AFC championship game there last January.

04-29-2008, 08:20 AM	#9
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Peyton, IMHO $1500 is too much. A Mauser new in the box with all accessories and paper work sells for between $900 and $1200. Tom

04-29-2008, 09:41 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I agree that $1500 would be too much right now... in a year, that may not be enough the way prices keep going up... I would say that somewhere comfortably between $1000 and $1200 is where you should be paying depending on how much you want to own it, and how much he wants to sell it... Good luck and let us know how you make out. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-29-2008, 11:05 AM	#11
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I sold one recently in mint condition with no box or accessories for $900. The box and accessories (spare mag, loading tool, cleaning rod, papers) would add about $300.

04-29-2008, 12:21 PM	#12
peyton User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the sanity check. I was not sure where to start.

05-31-2009, 02:13 AM	#13
peyton User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well a year has passed and I am still in Baghdad!! The Mauser is still in FIL's safe and he has not budged on price. I went home on a short vacation, and did not get a chance to drive the 3 hours across texas to visit. It is funny I got the money since I have been sitting here, but I value your words of wisdom.

05-31-2009, 08:24 AM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,042 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,920 Times in 1,193 Posts	Alvin, 'Original' was a marketing phrase that Mauser had used on and off since the 1930s. Many companies were producing Mauser rip-offs (the spanish C96 copies, 98 action copies, etc..) and it was just Mauser's idea of showing that the gun in question was made by Mauser themselves. They picked up the 1930s idea when they started again in the late sixties. So, just marketing, nothing more, nothing less. Certainly no deeper meaning behind it.

05-31-2009, 08:52 AM	#16
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Jason, If you like Lugers, I recommend you look for a 9mm P08 style. You can get a nice gun for $1000 and it will probably grow in value. Let your FIL attempt to sell his gem on the market and he'll see what it's worth. If he doesn't have the box and papers he'll be lucky to get $750/$800 out of it.

05-31-2009, 07:24 PM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Under $1k is not hard to find. But usually no box. Maybe sounds weird, that paper box worth some money. Was it numbered to the gun?