Gunbroker LP08

George Anderson · 07-18-2007, 08:18 AM

An artillery worth discussion in an open forum...Gunbroker #75916264

Steinar · 07-18-2007, 08:43 AM

Perhaps the seller will sell a stamping tool kit once this deal is closed?
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the gunman · 07-18-2007, 09:25 AM

No feedback on this Clown either. Worst numbering job I've seen in a long time.

George Anderson · 07-18-2007, 09:30 AM

I sent the seller a private message yesterday (very polite I might add) and told him his gun had alot of problems. He has not yet responded.

Dwight Gruber · 07-18-2007, 01:27 PM

Nice c/N commercial toggle...

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 07-18-2007, 11:09 PM

A whole bunch of the "72" SN stampings do not look right, either...

DaveinTN · 07-18-2007, 11:38 PM

OK, here's another gap in my knowledge....

I agree the numbers on this gun look unusual when compared to the many photos of other typically numbered pistols.

Here's my question: When a pistol is re-numbered like this one apparently is, would the original numbers be filled in with a welder, then ground flush and finally restamped and reblued?

Just curious,

Dave in TN.

Pete Ebbink · 07-20-2007, 12:28 AM

Hi Dave,

There are boosting methods I have probably not even thought of...but...

1. I think TIG welding, resurfacing, restamping, and rebluing (or rebluing and then restamping if you want to create halos) would certainly account for some of the odd "72" number stamps on this gun.

2. This gun's trigger side plate may be from a commercial WWI era Luger (with its originsl 2-digit SN's along the bottom edge. Those bottom edge numbers can easily be removed with the contour of the bottom edge still looking okay. Then you have a blank front surface on the old commercial side plate on which to stamp 2-digits in the military style.

3. The extractor could be a modern-day Sarco-type part with new "72" added. I think the repro parts you get from such an outfit are not numbered.

4. Frequently you will see un-numbered Luger parts coming up on eBay. Probably original amourer replacement parts. It is curious to watch the eBay names of some of the "regular" folks that bid on those un-numbered parts...

. Some buyers using cute eBay names to hide their ID's but some collectors know who they are and know they sell "minty & all matching" Lugers...out of the other end of their businesses...

I watched one of these "snakes" over a year or so on eBay buy many sets of old-world number metal-stamp sets...time and time again...many have the right size of the numbers and the old-world fonts one expects to see from DWM SN stampings on Lugers

The guy who did the "72" number stampings on this Luger under discussion obviously did not care to get the "look" of the added "72" even remotely looking correct and proper.

Not saying the seller was the booster...but the seller does probably know what is wrong and just wants to pass the gun on...

Such a "passing of a bad gun" even happens amongst a few collectors I know...

07-18-2007, 08:18 AM	#1
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Gunbroker LP08 An artillery worth discussion in an open forum...Gunbroker #75916264

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Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Perhaps the seller will sell a stamping tool kit once this deal is closed? direct link __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

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the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	No feedback on this Clown either. Worst numbering job I've seen in a long time.

07-18-2007, 09:30 AM	#4
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I sent the seller a private message yesterday (very polite I might add) and told him his gun had alot of problems. He has not yet responded.

07-18-2007, 01:27 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Nice c/N commercial toggle... --Dwight

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Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	A whole bunch of the "72" SN stampings do not look right, either...

07-18-2007, 11:38 PM	#7
DaveinTN User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 186 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts	OK, here's another gap in my knowledge.... I agree the numbers on this gun look unusual when compared to the many photos of other typically numbered pistols. Here's my question: When a pistol is re-numbered like this one apparently is, would the original numbers be filled in with a welder, then ground flush and finally restamped and reblued? Just curious, Dave in TN.

07-20-2007, 12:28 AM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Dave, There are boosting methods I have probably not even thought of...but... 1. I think TIG welding, resurfacing, restamping, and rebluing (or rebluing and then restamping if you want to create halos) would certainly account for some of the odd "72" number stamps on this gun. 2. This gun's trigger side plate may be from a commercial WWI era Luger (with its originsl 2-digit SN's along the bottom edge. Those bottom edge numbers can easily be removed with the contour of the bottom edge still looking okay. Then you have a blank front surface on the old commercial side plate on which to stamp 2-digits in the military style. 3. The extractor could be a modern-day Sarco-type part with new "72" added. I think the repro parts you get from such an outfit are not numbered. 4. Frequently you will see un-numbered Luger parts coming up on eBay. Probably original amourer replacement parts. It is curious to watch the eBay names of some of the "regular" folks that bid on those un-numbered parts... . Some buyers using cute eBay names to hide their ID's but some collectors know who they are and know they sell "minty & all matching" Lugers...out of the other end of their businesses... I watched one of these "snakes" over a year or so on eBay buy many sets of old-world number metal-stamp sets...time and time again...many have the right size of the numbers and the old-world fonts one expects to see from DWM SN stampings on Lugers The guy who did the "72" number stampings on this Luger under discussion obviously did not care to get the "look" of the added "72" even remotely looking correct and proper. Not saying the seller was the booster...but the seller does probably know what is wrong and just wants to pass the gun on... Such a "passing of a bad gun" even happens amongst a few collectors I know...