Anyone ever heard of a take-down mag?

[John Sabato]

There is one on eBay and it has a very unusual wooden bottom as this picture shows... I can't say I have ever seen a mag bottom like this...


-John



http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1151378171
http://www.huntel.net/boses255/Jun01$10.jpg

It is a Dutch Magazine.

[John Sabato]

Does it have some kind of quick release lever that allows field removal and replacement of mag bottom?


-John

[jerry peters]

It's a Dutch Mag. I have a bid in on it but, it should not be "pinned", I believe.

[Patrick]

John, Dutch contract Lugers had a magazine with a base that could be removed for cleaning. The spring was "V" shaped with a bend at each end. One side was depressed to remove the base. I believe that the original mags were adapted after delivery to Holland. The Dutch considered this to be unreliable and some time later, a pin was inserted so that the base could no longer be removed. There are very few left without the pin.Sometimes collectors remove the pin - but the hole should still be there.Patrick

[John Sabato]

I hadn't even finished composing my question and you had already answered!


-JS

[Patrick]

John, Whitsun weather�´s been really bad here and I�´ve been grounded. I�´ve never seen a Dutch mag without the locking pin but have been told that, if you took the pin out, it would still have the "V" spring in place. I take it that both ends of the "V" are rounded. One end holds the base against the side of the mag and the other holds the wooden base. With the locking pin removed, you squash the "V" spring to remove the base - and then the mag spring and all the rest comes out. Ralph is sure to have at least one in working order.Patrick

[G.T.]

Hello to all! Patrick has been pretty much correct on his previous posts, but there a few additions I would like to share...first I have seen both, pinned or repaired, and original, with no modifications at all. The pinned variation are in the vast majority of all Dutch mags that I have seen, which isn't that many!!......most will have a single pin through the front part of the mag, although I have occasionally seen Dutch mag's with two pins, the second being installed through the spring area, where, the original spring retainer had probably failed....The only way you can tell that it is original is that the rear retaining hole is usually not located the same as a regular P.08 mag....Almost every spring, in all the mags, were broken, which I think, was the reason for the repair or modification in the first place....The spring is a complicated little devel, in that it is made in such a way that a pin holds it in the upper part of the rear of the mag. bottom, this holds the bottom to the spring! Then on the rear spine of the mag, there is a rectangular notch in which a folded part of the spring snaps into.....nothing that is visable, has any part of the retaining function...This also is why the spring failed, many sharp bends and complex forming....doomed from the start!! Almost all of these mag's exhibited another similar trait, the wood was very dark, and showed a lot of use.....hope it this helps!! till...later....G.T.

[Hugh]

From Jan Still's "WEIMAR LUGERS" page 300




http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/dutchmag.jpg

Judging from the excellent condition of the wood and the pin hole in the tube, this appears to be one of the repro bottoms (and sold as such) that GT made for me years ago when SARCO was selling original Dutch mags with bad bottoms for $75. I do still have a few springs left for these, if needed.

[BILL]

Good information on the Dutch 'quick release' magazine. It would have made a marvelous quiz question. Also, it is very nice to know the probable origin of the magazine. I haven't seen anything on eBay yet that I have owned at some time past, but I have seen things at gun shows, being sold by someone I didn't know, that I have sold to people in the past.