Dutch 1936 booklet

Vlim · 06-04-2004, 07:58 AM

Hi,

Recently purchased a charming 1936 Dutch publication, discussing the technology of some contemporary guns in use by Police and armed forces.

To my surprise the discussed Parabellum was a navy model. Together with some evidence provided by Martens & De Vries, in the form of a Navy present on a 'home guard' celebration menu, it appears that the Dutch Police forces had a good deal of Navy's in use. Most likely they were purchased from a dealer who secured some 1,700 German navies, captured or impounded after WW1.

The booklet is called 'Wapens en Vuurwapens', by K.W. Wijk, inspector of police, 1st class and published in 1936 bij J.A. Reesink in Velp.

It also discusses:

Walther Model 7
Sauer Model 1914
Ortgies
Parabellum
F.N. 1922
Mauser C96
F.N. 1935 (hi-power)

This offers a good overview of pistols in use at Dutch police forces during the late 30s.

Ron Smith · 06-04-2004, 08:18 AM

Vlim, That is interesting. Neat book. You would'nt think that they would have used Navys. Due to the size. Seems they would want something alittle more compact.
If you happen to run across one of these Navys. Just slip it in to a box of fine Dutch chocolate, and send it to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Ron

Vlim · 06-04-2004, 11:42 AM

Ron,

Well, they probably just got 'em cheap

I'm thinking in lines of river police or coast guard issue as the Navy remains effective as an intermediate distance weapon.

In those days, Dutch police viewed the 9mm as too large/powerfull. Regular issue guns used the 7.65 browning or 7.63 or 6.35 calibers.

What is funny is the remark of the author that so many policemen were walking around with too little knowledge of handguns in the 1930s. The same discussion is held today in 2004. Some things never change

Ron Smith · 06-05-2004, 12:16 PM

Vlim, I know. When I went to the Sheriff's office to apply for my concealed handgun license. I was talking to the deputy about handguns. I was'nt impressed. And it's alittle nerve racking to know that he is out there carrying a gun. Hope he does'nt shoot himself, or me!

Ron

blayne · 06-05-2004, 02:13 PM

I saw it all the time in the military and around police. They are simply a tool and sometimes not taken care of as well as they should be. Lots of gun knowledgeable cops around, but a lot are not overly interested...

Ron Wood · 06-05-2004, 03:13 PM

Gerben,
If you ever run across another one of those booklets, I would like to add one to my library.
Ron

Vlim · 06-05-2004, 03:30 PM

Ron,

Will keep an eye open.

06-04-2004, 07:58 AM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Dutch 1936 booklet Hi, Recently purchased a charming 1936 Dutch publication, discussing the technology of some contemporary guns in use by Police and armed forces. To my surprise the discussed Parabellum was a navy model. Together with some evidence provided by Martens & De Vries, in the form of a Navy present on a 'home guard' celebration menu, it appears that the Dutch Police forces had a good deal of Navy's in use. Most likely they were purchased from a dealer who secured some 1,700 German navies, captured or impounded after WW1. The booklet is called 'Wapens en Vuurwapens', by K.W. Wijk, inspector of police, 1st class and published in 1936 bij J.A. Reesink in Velp. It also discusses: Walther Model 7 Sauer Model 1914 Ortgies Parabellum F.N. 1922 Mauser C96 F.N. 1935 (hi-power) This offers a good overview of pistols in use at Dutch police forces during the late 30s.

06-04-2004, 08:18 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Vlim, That is interesting. Neat book. You would'nt think that they would have used Navys. Due to the size. Seems they would want something alittle more compact. If you happen to run across one of these Navys. Just slip it in to a box of fine Dutch chocolate, and send it to me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-05-2004, 12:16 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Vlim, I know. When I went to the Sheriff's office to apply for my concealed handgun license. I was talking to the deputy about handguns. I was'nt impressed. And it's alittle nerve racking to know that he is out there carrying a gun. Hope he does'nt shoot himself, or me! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-05-2004, 03:13 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Gerben, If you ever run across another one of those booklets, I would like to add one to my library. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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06-04-2004, 11:42 AM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron, Well, they probably just got 'em cheap I'm thinking in lines of river police or coast guard issue as the Navy remains effective as an intermediate distance weapon. In those days, Dutch police viewed the 9mm as too large/powerfull. Regular issue guns used the 7.65 browning or 7.63 or 6.35 calibers. What is funny is the remark of the author that so many policemen were walking around with too little knowledge of handguns in the 1930s. The same discussion is held today in 2004. Some things never change

06-05-2004, 02:13 PM	#5
blayne User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I saw it all the time in the military and around police. They are simply a tool and sometimes not taken care of as well as they should be. Lots of gun knowledgeable cops around, but a lot are not overly interested...

06-05-2004, 03:30 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ron, Will keep an eye open.