1918 DWM with arsenal barrel re-work?

photo-war · 06-23-2014, 03:30 PM

Dear forum members! Please hel with this Po8 manufactured by DWM. This one has all numbers matched except the barrel - it has a different # but also has some additional marking - is this period done arsenal re-work?

Thanks in advance,
Alexander

SteveM · 06-23-2014, 06:36 PM

Crown/RC, erfurt barrel possibly?

photo-war · 06-24-2014, 04:32 AM

Steve thanks for looking. It appears someeone just attached a barrel from Erfurt to DWM produced gun

alanint · 06-24-2014, 05:57 AM

Isn't the proof in front of the trigger guard next to the take-down spring protrusion also an Erfurt proof? Wouldn't that make the frame Erfurt as well?

mrerick · 06-24-2014, 08:21 AM

Yes - Frame shows an Erfurt proof...

Perhaps someone swapped the toggle train on an Erfurt Luger.....

Marc

alanint · 06-24-2014, 08:52 AM

Takedown lever, Sideplate both DWM numbered with no Erfurt proofs. Upper receiver DWM proofed. There are no images of the toggle, but from the description, it is also DWM.

So far, a bunch of matching DWM parts placed on a matching number Erfurt frame with a mismatched Erfurt barrel.

The front of the frame appears ground, (see especially end of frame lug area directly above takedown lever). A good photo of the front of the frame showing the serial number would help to determine this. It looks like it was ground down and renumbered to match the balance of the parts.

This IS a strange one.

Ron Wood · 06-24-2014, 11:28 AM

That is not an Erfurt proof on the frame. It is a Revisions Commission stamp, and although it is infrequently encountered on a DWM, the frame really is a DWM.

photo-war · 06-24-2014, 03:01 PM

More photos of this strange gun ....

alanint · 06-24-2014, 03:25 PM

I reiterate my contention that the frame has been scrubbed and renumbered, although in a very close font. The extractor is a mismatch.

John Sabato · 06-24-2014, 04:47 PM

While I have seen factory issued frames with a flat front, the dramatic FLAT on the front of this frame in the photos leads me to the same conclusion/speculation as Doug.

However, the first photo of the assembled gun from the same viewpoint does not show the upper receiver projecting past the frame a significant amount when the toggle is down. This seems to disqualify our shared conclusion...

alanint · 06-24-2014, 06:21 PM

But look at the grinding across both lugs and the total lack of edge radiusing, which would be expected. It almost looks like a straight, lop-off job that left very sharp edges. The short appearance of the scallops on either side of the upper receiver may indicate that this was trimmed back as well.

06-24-2014, 08:21 AM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	Yes - Frame shows an Erfurt proof... Perhaps someone swapped the toggle train on an Erfurt Luger..... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-24-2014, 11:28 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	That is not an Erfurt proof on the frame. It is a Revisions Commission stamp, and although it is infrequently encountered on a DWM, the frame really is a DWM. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-24-2014, 04:47 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	While I have seen factory issued frames with a flat front, the dramatic FLAT on the front of this frame in the photos leads me to the same conclusion/speculation as Doug. However, the first photo of the assembled gun from the same viewpoint does not show the upper receiver projecting past the frame a significant amount when the toggle is down. This seems to disqualify our shared conclusion... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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06-23-2014, 06:36 PM	#2
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Crown/RC, erfurt barrel possibly?

06-24-2014, 04:32 AM	#3
photo-war User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 35 Thanks: 24 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Steve thanks for looking. It appears someeone just attached a barrel from Erfurt to DWM produced gun

06-24-2014, 05:57 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Isn't the proof in front of the trigger guard next to the take-down spring protrusion also an Erfurt proof? Wouldn't that make the frame Erfurt as well?

06-24-2014, 08:52 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Takedown lever, Sideplate both DWM numbered with no Erfurt proofs. Upper receiver DWM proofed. There are no images of the toggle, but from the description, it is also DWM. So far, a bunch of matching DWM parts placed on a matching number Erfurt frame with a mismatched Erfurt barrel. The front of the frame appears ground, (see especially end of frame lug area directly above takedown lever). A good photo of the front of the frame showing the serial number would help to determine this. It looks like it was ground down and renumbered to match the balance of the parts. This IS a strange one.

06-24-2014, 03:25 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I reiterate my contention that the frame has been scrubbed and renumbered, although in a very close font. The extractor is a mismatch.

06-24-2014, 06:21 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	But look at the grinding across both lugs and the total lack of edge radiusing, which would be expected. It almost looks like a straight, lop-off job that left very sharp edges. The short appearance of the scallops on either side of the upper receiver may indicate that this was trimmed back as well.