British Proofs

mystical_tutor · 10-04-2013, 04:12 PM

My 1916 DWM has British Proofs on the right side of the barrel, receiver and rail. Does that have any impact on the value?

beachbaker · 10-04-2013, 05:57 PM

Yes, just about any mark added after the gun was originally issued reduces the value. Collectors by and large do not like to buy guns that are altered in any way. Curt

lugerholsterrepair · 10-04-2013, 06:55 PM

As Curt says..It might not help value. On an otherwise good pistol..it might not affect it that much.

Is this pistol missing the takedown spring?

alvin · 10-04-2013, 07:15 PM

My view is a little bit different. On super nice C&R (e.g. 98% original Luger), non-affiliated marks of this size at this position cause bigger damage on value. On lower condition,,,,, for example, on 70% or 80% condition C&R, damage is smaller, but still negative. On 50%, 40% condition,,, probably does not matter anymore. The lower the gun condition, the less importance of each individual issue. It's much more sensitive on higher condition C&R.

mystical_tutor · 10-04-2013, 09:24 PM

thanks to all of you, appreciate your time and responses.

Jerry, astute observation, based on the picture, however the spring is still there but reading your comment I immediately looked up and didn't see the spring end---panic. As I picked the gun up though I could see it was just shadow. took the TD lever out anyway to make sure.

Alvin, This is NOT a minty piece (and I have a lot of trouble estimating the amount of bluing on them anyway) and I think your assessment is well worth considering.

Thanks again fellows.

Gary

ChannelIsles · 10-05-2013, 08:45 AM

I'd earlier taken the view that a later addition (British Proof) would adversely effect the value of my Krieghoff, although now I'm advised by a reputable forearms auctioneer that if I'd sought to sell any luger, other than Imperial it would have to be proofed before sale off the Island & into Europe.
Having seen some extensive British proofing with tons etc.. stamped on many visible part I'd be somewhat deterred, however, I was extremely relieved to have the most unobtrusive single proof strike under one grip & now have a pistol that would be far more marketable should I choose to sell (unlikely).
I have no plan to proof any of my 'left behind' lugers. This one was found in the UK & needed the proof before it could cross the water to me It would, however, seem more sympathetic proofing is available if so requested.
Brendan

mystical_tutor · 10-05-2013, 12:10 PM

Trade you guns........

Gary

10-04-2013, 05:57 PM	#2
beachbaker Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: california Posts: 144 Thanks: 32 Thanked 111 Times in 32 Posts	Yes, just about any mark added after the gun was originally issued reduces the value. Collectors by and large do not like to buy guns that are altered in any way. Curt __________________ Curt

10-04-2013, 06:55 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,134 Times in 1,439 Posts	As Curt says..It might not help value. On an otherwise good pistol..it might not affect it that much. Is this pistol missing the takedown spring? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-05-2013, 08:45 AM	#6
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	British Proof I'd earlier taken the view that a later addition (British Proof) would adversely effect the value of my Krieghoff, although now I'm advised by a reputable forearms auctioneer that if I'd sought to sell any luger, other than Imperial it would have to be proofed before sale off the Island & into Europe. Having seen some extensive British proofing with tons etc.. stamped on many visible part I'd be somewhat deterred, however, I was extremely relieved to have the most unobtrusive single proof strike under one grip & now have a pistol that would be far more marketable should I choose to sell (unlikely). I have no plan to proof any of my 'left behind' lugers. This one was found in the UK & needed the proof before it could cross the water to me It would, however, seem more sympathetic proofing is available if so requested. Brendan

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10-04-2013, 07:15 PM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	My view is a little bit different. On super nice C&R (e.g. 98% original Luger), non-affiliated marks of this size at this position cause bigger damage on value. On lower condition,,,,, for example, on 70% or 80% condition C&R, damage is smaller, but still negative. On 50%, 40% condition,,, probably does not matter anymore. The lower the gun condition, the less importance of each individual issue. It's much more sensitive on higher condition C&R.

10-04-2013, 09:24 PM	#5
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	thanks to all of you, appreciate your time and responses. Jerry, astute observation, based on the picture, however the spring is still there but reading your comment I immediately looked up and didn't see the spring end---panic. As I picked the gun up though I could see it was just shadow. took the TD lever out anyway to make sure. Alvin, This is NOT a minty piece (and I have a lot of trouble estimating the amount of bluing on them anyway) and I think your assessment is well worth considering. Thanks again fellows. Gary

10-05-2013, 12:10 PM	#7
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	Trade you guns........ Gary