Barrel Change

12-19-2001, 04:06 AM

What do I need to know to remove a Luger 4" barrel and replace it with an 8" barrel (with rear sight)? And what do I need to know about removing the original rear sight? A project looms to convert a shooter to an Artillery Luger.

12-19-2001, 11:28 AM

Bill, You definately need a receiver wrench that is cut to the shape of a luger reciever, otherwise you will either crack the receiver or at least damage its finish, and a good strong barrel vise with brass inserts shaped to the luger barrel. Also a lot of experience is a big help, so if you haven't done it before, I don't recomment you trying it. Once the barrel is changed, it should be head spaced and chamber reamed if necessary. I do the above for $100 plus shipping. Rather than grinding the rear sight off of your rear toggle link, I have several original LPO8 rear links available in the $20 to $50 range, depending on finish and would allow up to half off in trade for your standard PO8 rear link. Tom h

12-19-2001, 12:02 PM

Tom:

You mean the old plumber's pipe wrench routine won't work? I was planning on taking it to a gunsmith but I think a LUGER gunsmith such as you would be a much better idea. I assume that you would not need the frame and we could ship gun parts back and forth with no FFL hassles (I let my FFL expire). On the other hand, I have nor seen the pistol yet. I ordered a $395 shooter from SARCO. It may be that I would want to get it refinished. Do you do that? Straw, etc.? And the cost? I will take you up on the togle trade offer. I hate the thought of grinding on a Luger, any Luger, even a shooter. Speaking of shooters, I like to shoot my guns occasionally, even my (late production? Ask Kyrie.) Shanzi .45 broomhandle. The thought of shooting an original, all matching, Artillery Luger scares me due to the possibility of parts breakage. Thus the current project.

Bill

aka WaffenAmt (on gunboards)

Don · 12-19-2001, 12:13 PM

Tom, Got any 6" bull barrels?

John Sabato · 12-19-2001, 12:17 PM

on the forum... The search function is at the top of the main discussion page. There are important threads that contain information you need to know about artillery luger reproductions and shoulder stock use to keep you legal and out of trouble with the ATF.

Welcome to the Lugerforum!

regards,

John Sabato

Orv Reichert · 12-19-2001, 01:13 PM

My buddy, Bob Best, took his new art'y to the range...he fired ONE shot and that sucker blew the extractor right out.. Had to have it 'rebuilt' to keep the numbers matching..

There is a moral to that story....get it?

Thor · 12-19-2001, 01:55 PM

Another theory bantered around is that many of the Erfurt Lugers had the rear sight notch cut in front of the chamber area just in the event they ended up being finished as an Artillery rather than many of them being reworked. Most of the 4" models you see with the notch are Erfurts. ~Thor~

Thor · 12-19-2001, 01:56 PM

The receiver notch for the rear sight is shown by Still in TRL to be original as issued with the 4" model with chamber dates of 1917 and 1918. ~Thor~

Thor · 12-19-2001, 01:57 PM

OOPS, in Imperial Lugers I meant

12-19-2001, 01:58 PM

John:

Thanks, I did the search and understand about stocks.

Bill

Thor · 12-19-2001, 03:38 PM

Rick, you are right about the screw, I noticed that on Don's Artillery that I worked on! I have also seen the cut on some DWM double dates! Thor

John Sabato · 12-19-2001, 05:27 PM

Here is one of the 1918 Erfurt receivers that was NOT built into an artillery model. This one sports a standard 4 inch barrel.

Not all notched receivers were made into Artillery Models... we just WISH they had been so there would be more of them!

-John

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Ar...edreceiver.jpg

Lonnie Zimmerman · 12-19-2001, 07:51 PM

I believe Erfurt started the notch sometime in mid 1916.

Lonnie

12-20-2001, 03:02 AM

Thanks to all for the good info. At the last minute I backed away from ordering a SARCO $395 shooter and abandoned my "home-made artillery project." I found a mismatched real Artillery Luger for what it would have cost me to make an Artillery shooter from the cheapest East German rework I could find. So why would I want an Artillery parts gun with a modern barrel and sight when I could get the real thing for the same price?

Bill

aka WaffenAmt

John Sabato · 12-20-2001, 08:55 AM

and you can legally put an artillery stock on this one!

-John

12-19-2001, 04:06 AM	#1
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Barrel Change What do I need to know to remove a Luger 4" barrel and replace it with an 8" barrel (with rear sight)? And what do I need to know about removing the original rear sight? A project looms to convert a shooter to an Artillery Luger.

12-19-2001, 11:28 AM	#2
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Barrel Change Bill, You definately need a receiver wrench that is cut to the shape of a luger reciever, otherwise you will either crack the receiver or at least damage its finish, and a good strong barrel vise with brass inserts shaped to the luger barrel. Also a lot of experience is a big help, so if you haven't done it before, I don't recomment you trying it. Once the barrel is changed, it should be head spaced and chamber reamed if necessary. I do the above for $100 plus shipping. Rather than grinding the rear sight off of your rear toggle link, I have several original LPO8 rear links available in the $20 to $50 range, depending on finish and would allow up to half off in trade for your standard PO8 rear link. Tom h

12-19-2001, 12:02 PM	#3
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Barrel Change Tom: You mean the old plumber's pipe wrench routine won't work? I was planning on taking it to a gunsmith but I think a LUGER gunsmith such as you would be a much better idea. I assume that you would not need the frame and we could ship gun parts back and forth with no FFL hassles (I let my FFL expire). On the other hand, I have nor seen the pistol yet. I ordered a $395 shooter from SARCO. It may be that I would want to get it refinished. Do you do that? Straw, etc.? And the cost? I will take you up on the togle trade offer. I hate the thought of grinding on a Luger, any Luger, even a shooter. Speaking of shooters, I like to shoot my guns occasionally, even my (late production? Ask Kyrie.) Shanzi .45 broomhandle. The thought of shooting an original, all matching, Artillery Luger scares me due to the possibility of parts breakage. Thus the current project. Bill aka WaffenAmt (on gunboards)

12-19-2001, 12:13 PM	#4
Don User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Barrel Change Tom, Got any 6" bull barrels?

12-19-2001, 12:17 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Bill, please be sure you do a search on "artillery" lugers here on the forum... The search function is at the top of the main discussion page. There are important threads that contain information you need to know about artillery luger reproductions and shoulder stock use to keep you legal and out of trouble with the ATF. Welcome to the Lugerforum! regards, John Sabato

12-19-2001, 01:13 PM	#6
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Change My buddy, Bob Best, took his new art'y to the range...he fired ONE shot and that sucker blew the extractor right out.. Had to have it 'rebuilt' to keep the numbers matching.. There is a moral to that story....get it?

12-19-2001, 01:55 PM	#7
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Barrel Change Another theory bantered around is that many of the Erfurt Lugers had the rear sight notch cut in front of the chamber area just in the event they ended up being finished as an Artillery rather than many of them being reworked. Most of the 4" models you see with the notch are Erfurts. ~Thor~

12-19-2001, 01:56 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Erfurt Artillerys The receiver notch for the rear sight is shown by Still in TRL to be original as issued with the 4" model with chamber dates of 1917 and 1918. ~Thor~

12-19-2001, 01:57 PM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Erfurt Artillerys OOPS, in Imperial Lugers I meant

12-19-2001, 01:58 PM	#10
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bill, please be sure you do a search on "artillery" lugers here John: Thanks, I did the search and understand about stocks. Bill

12-19-2001, 03:38 PM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Erfurt Artillerys Rick, you are right about the screw, I noticed that on Don's Artillery that I worked on! I have also seen the cut on some DWM double dates! Thor

12-19-2001, 05:27 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Notched Erfurt receivers Here is one of the 1918 Erfurt receivers that was NOT built into an artillery model. This one sports a standard 4 inch barrel. Not all notched receivers were made into Artillery Models... we just WISH they had been so there would be more of them! -John http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Ar...edreceiver.jpg

12-19-2001, 07:51 PM	#13
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Notched Erfurt receivers I believe Erfurt started the notch sometime in mid 1916. Lonnie

12-20-2001, 03:02 AM	#14
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Notched Erfurt receivers Thanks to all for the good info. At the last minute I backed away from ordering a SARCO $395 shooter and abandoned my "home-made artillery project." I found a mismatched real Artillery Luger for what it would have cost me to make an Artillery shooter from the cheapest East German rework I could find. So why would I want an Artillery parts gun with a modern barrel and sight when I could get the real thing for the same price? Bill aka WaffenAmt

12-20-2001, 08:55 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	GOOD JOB Bill! and you can legally put an artillery stock on this one! -John

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