Unidentifiable Luger

the gunman · 09-12-2003, 08:24 PM

Fellows: Please help me out with this. I don't know what I have. I picked up this S-42 1937 dated Luger. This Luger came out of a private estate and owned by the one fellow for over 30 years. As you can see, it has the rear Navy toggle. The gun has matched numbers throughout, excepting the front sight blade. It has adjustable front sight, 100-200 meter rear Navy-type sight, Proper Eagle 63 proofs. Barrel is numbered to the gun as well, but there is no barrel proof. I know that there were no Navys made in 1937 with a 6" barrel and rear Navy sight. Maybe someone out there can tell me more about this intriguing weapon. I am trying to post photos but not having much luck. I'll keep trying

http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...lbun60/bluger1

Pete Ebbink · 09-12-2003, 08:32 PM

Hello Richard,

If you have no luck posting or using the good tutorial; you can e-mail me your photo(s) and I can post them for you...just send them to "pebbink@pacbell.net"...

I am one of the Moderators and we try to help folks out where we can...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

the gunman · 09-12-2003, 08:35 PM

Would love to have your help. I will e-mail them to you. I have seven photos, so I'll break it up in a couple messages. what is your e-mail address?

Thank you for your help. I can't get the system to work for me - I've the loaded the pictures following the wonderful tutorial - but as soon as the picture is loaded, it does not give me a URL, as tutorial indicates. I'm confused but will send photos for you to post for me.

Thank you and best regards,

The gunman

the gunman · 09-12-2003, 08:48 PM

Pete. Thanks again for your help. I have e-mailed 7 photos. My wife has done this for me, as I couldn't figure out how to do it . She is off on a trip on Saturday and will be gone for a week, so I will not be able to post any additional photos for the next 7 days.

Thank you again for your help.

The Gunman

Navy · 09-12-2003, 08:50 PM

Gunman,
Send pix to me and I will get back to you. E-mail is catofong@aol.com.
Tom A

the gunman · 09-12-2003, 08:53 PM

Pics on the way. Thanks.

The Gunman

Pete Ebbink · 09-12-2003, 09:41 PM

Hello Folks,

I helped The Gunman by posting seven (7) photographs of his luger in the Member's Gallery. Photo jpeg size was large and I thought the high-resolution look up in the Gallery would be more useful. If you double click on each photo several times, they will "blow up" to their full size and resolution...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

drbuster · 09-12-2003, 10:04 PM

Looks to me that some enterprizing gunsmith put a replacement Navy rear toggle and a 6 inch barrel on a standard 1937 S/42. Looks pretty and I'm sure it makes a great shooter.

Navy · 09-13-2003, 10:25 AM

If he could have gotten a DWM frame and a Vickers toggle, he would have really had a first class Frankenluger.
Tom A.

the gunman · 09-15-2003, 07:31 PM

IF anyone is interested I am putting this luger up
for sale .asking 2100.00

the gunman · 09-15-2003, 09:29 PM

Hi gentleman not looking to annoy anyone .on this gun I bought this with 2 other lugers. and am very happy with the deal I got. Im selling this for what I have into it we have all heard this story before .but its a truthfull.
story on my part,this piece was made up at least 30 years ago by who or where i dont know . I offer it for what it is no stories. its the way i bought it .I am not trying to offer it as anything but what it is. Its a great shooter, great looker and a hell of a fair price for what
it is. I AM NOT MISREPSENTING ANYTHING

Navy · 09-16-2003, 09:13 AM

Hi Gunman,
I think you have provided the membership a text book example of what can and does happen when one has a faster hand for the check book than for the reference book.
No personal disrepect intended, we in this Luger game learn as we go. Unfortunately, experience carries a very high tuition in the Luger game. A $75 dollar investment in a couple of reference books could have saved you about $1600, which is my estimate of how much you overpaid.

Please, before you buy any more Lugers, buy and study the books.
Tom A.

the gunman · 09-16-2003, 09:47 AM

Hi tom I knew this piece was made up when I bought it.
I know i paid a high price .this was my choice .its what was asked .it was sold with 2 other guns which more than make up the difference to me.I beleive the gun is worth far more than your est. just thy to find a navy toggle. but I thank you for your input .best regards
the gunman

Dwight Gruber · 09-16-2003, 10:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by the gunman:
I beleive the gun is worth far more than your est. just thy to find a navy toggle.<hr /></blockquote>Gunman,

You have hit exactly on the situation. Not to be one to promote Luger-breaking, but in your case this gun is worth quite a bit more as parts than as a whole piece. Whether or not it might reach your own value estimation remains to be seen.

--Dwight

the gunman · 09-16-2003, 10:49 AM

Thank you Dwight

Navy · 09-16-2003, 10:59 AM

All,
I must admit that the gunman has a point; I simply never entertain calculating value based on an assumption of parting out a piece.
Maybe thats a good indicator of a collector vice a dealer..
Tom A.

Ron Wood · 09-16-2003, 11:06 AM

I have a Luger that is very similar to this one. It has an S/42 forward toggle link and breech block, Navy rear sight, 1940 dated receiver, and a 6" un-numbered 7.65mm barrel. It was made up by an employee of a gun shop here in El Paso that has been closed for nearly 20 years. I bought it last year for $450. I think that it is worth more than that, but not a whole lot.

the gunman · 09-16-2003, 12:34 PM

my E mail adress r.shavel@att.net
the gunman

09-12-2003, 08:24 PM	#1
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Unidentifiable Luger Fellows: Please help me out with this. I don't know what I have. I picked up this S-42 1937 dated Luger. This Luger came out of a private estate and owned by the one fellow for over 30 years. As you can see, it has the rear Navy toggle. The gun has matched numbers throughout, excepting the front sight blade. It has adjustable front sight, 100-200 meter rear Navy-type sight, Proper Eagle 63 proofs. Barrel is numbered to the gun as well, but there is no barrel proof. I know that there were no Navys made in 1937 with a 6" barrel and rear Navy sight. Maybe someone out there can tell me more about this intriguing weapon. I am trying to post photos but not having much luck. I'll keep trying http://gallery.rennlist.com/lugergal...lbun60/bluger1

09-16-2003, 10:22 AM	#14
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by the gunman: <strong>I beleive the gun is worth far more than your est. just thy to find a navy toggle.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Gunman, You have hit exactly on the situation. Not to be one to promote Luger-breaking, but in your case this gun is worth quite a bit more as parts than as a whole piece. Whether or not it might reach your own value estimation remains to be seen. --Dwight

09-16-2003, 11:06 AM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,989 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I have a Luger that is very similar to this one. It has an S/42 forward toggle link and breech block, Navy rear sight, 1940 dated receiver, and a 6" un-numbered 7.65mm barrel. It was made up by an employee of a gun shop here in El Paso that has been closed for nearly 20 years. I bought it last year for $450. I think that it is worth more than that, but not a whole lot. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-12-2003, 08:32 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Richard, If you have no luck posting or using the good tutorial; you can e-mail me your photo(s) and I can post them for you...just send them to "pebbink@pacbell.net"... I am one of the Moderators and we try to help folks out where we can... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

09-12-2003, 08:35 PM	#3
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Would love to have your help. I will e-mail them to you. I have seven photos, so I'll break it up in a couple messages. what is your e-mail address? Thank you for your help. I can't get the system to work for me - I've the loaded the pictures following the wonderful tutorial - but as soon as the picture is loaded, it does not give me a URL, as tutorial indicates. I'm confused but will send photos for you to post for me. Thank you and best regards, The gunman

09-12-2003, 08:48 PM	#4
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Pete. Thanks again for your help. I have e-mailed 7 photos. My wife has done this for me, as I couldn't figure out how to do it . She is off on a trip on Saturday and will be gone for a week, so I will not be able to post any additional photos for the next 7 days. Thank you again for your help. The Gunman

09-12-2003, 08:50 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Gunman, Send pix to me and I will get back to you. E-mail is catofong@aol.com. Tom A

09-12-2003, 08:53 PM	#6
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Pics on the way. Thanks. The Gunman

09-12-2003, 09:41 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello Folks, I helped The Gunman by posting seven (7) photographs of his luger in the Member's Gallery. Photo jpeg size was large and I thought the high-resolution look up in the Gallery would be more useful. If you double click on each photo several times, they will "blow up" to their full size and resolution... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

09-12-2003, 10:04 PM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Looks to me that some enterprizing gunsmith put a replacement Navy rear toggle and a 6 inch barrel on a standard 1937 S/42. Looks pretty and I'm sure it makes a great shooter.

09-13-2003, 10:25 AM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	If he could have gotten a DWM frame and a Vickers toggle, he would have really had a first class Frankenluger. Tom A.

09-15-2003, 07:31 PM	#10
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	IF anyone is interested I am putting this luger up for sale .asking 2100.00

09-15-2003, 09:29 PM	#11
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Hi gentleman not looking to annoy anyone .on this gun I bought this with 2 other lugers. and am very happy with the deal I got. Im selling this for what I have into it we have all heard this story before .but its a truthfull. story on my part,this piece was made up at least 30 years ago by who or where i dont know . I offer it for what it is no stories. its the way i bought it .I am not trying to offer it as anything but what it is. Its a great shooter, great looker and a hell of a fair price for what it is. I AM NOT MISREPSENTING ANYTHING

09-16-2003, 09:13 AM	#12
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Gunman, I think you have provided the membership a text book example of what can and does happen when one has a faster hand for the check book than for the reference book. No personal disrepect intended, we in this Luger game learn as we go. Unfortunately, experience carries a very high tuition in the Luger game. A $75 dollar investment in a couple of reference books could have saved you about $1600, which is my estimate of how much you overpaid. Please, before you buy any more Lugers, buy and study the books. Tom A.

09-16-2003, 09:47 AM	#13
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Hi tom I knew this piece was made up when I bought it. I know i paid a high price .this was my choice .its what was asked .it was sold with 2 other guns which more than make up the difference to me.I beleive the gun is worth far more than your est. just thy to find a navy toggle. but I thank you for your input .best regards the gunman

09-16-2003, 10:49 AM	#15
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Thank you Dwight

09-16-2003, 10:59 AM	#16
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, I must admit that the gunman has a point; I simply never entertain calculating value based on an assumption of parting out a piece. Maybe thats a good indicator of a collector vice a dealer.. Tom A.

09-16-2003, 12:34 PM	#18
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	my E mail adress r.shavel@att.net the gunman