1916 DWM Luger/Amercian Eagle/P38 & Ammo

coffeee · 03-26-2004, 11:38 AM

Recently I posted a 1916 DWM luger to establish a value on it and I got such a great response I have decided to share the other guns and acessories also....One is an Amercian Eagle which I have been told was a limited production of 100 (is this true)and it is in fair condition. The P38 has been in the family for 14 years. It is my understanding that it is a 1943 WW2 item. The machine marks on the side I have been told may indicate that it was made in a hurry toward the end of the war. Has all matching numbers, was purchased directly from the original WW 2 "bring back family" They never should have sold it. Some people are stupid. I guess that is what they will say about me if I sell.

Also and I am not sure if these are rare or not I have Two boxes of WW2 9MM Luger ammo in the original German boxes. One is full the other is half full. Are these worth something....Then I have a rod of some description but I am not to sure about that.....If you can share some information with me about these things I would be delighted to hear from you!

John Sabato · 03-26-2004, 01:56 PM

coffeee,

can you please share some closeup photos of the marks and detail information on your American Eagle?

Depending on the serial number is can be quite rare or rather commonplace. Would you please post the serial number?

The WW2 ammo in UNBROKEN boxes is worth about $20 on todays collector market... yours are broken open so somewhat less than $20 per full box.

Don't shoot this stuff since it is corrosive, but keep it as an accessory to your WW2 guns.

The machine marks on wartime p-38's is pretty common. Only their commercial guns really escaped leaving the factory like this. to learn more about P-38's visit our sister forum (that exists under the same roof) is p38forum.com They are neat guns, and I have one, but they don't hold the fascination or intrigue that the Luger does in my opinion.

The cleaning rod appears to me to be Portuguese contract, but may just be a commercial DWM cleaning rod...

The cleaning rods like this are not that common, and vary in price. You can find them on ebay occasionally but the price range escapes me at the moment... guessing around $35.00 to $75.00 or more.

kidvett · 03-26-2004, 02:24 PM

WHOA !!

1906 American Eagle in 9mm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Or I'm mistaken....Very desirable pistol !! Close up photos please.....

Ammo is, well John said it....Those are what we call around here ``black bullets``.....It gives those III Reich bullets some kind of mystique attached to'em....A lot of War stories associated with them.....

P38: AC or BYF ?? Suffix letter ?? Close up photos requested again....

Interesting pieces you have there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

MARK

John Sabato · 03-26-2004, 03:38 PM

Take it easy so you don't have a heart attach Mark...The American Eagle appears to have full knurled toggle knobs in the top photo ... The Fat Barrel 9mm 1906 had dished toggles as I remember... anybody want to confirm that?

coffeee · 03-26-2004, 04:49 PM

I'm not the best at photography but I hope these give you a better feel for the gun.....the serial number on this gun is 460xx..........

aaarestorations · 03-26-2004, 09:20 PM

Coffee
Do you know the year of your American Eagle?
I had a cleaning rod like that. Now I will have to find it. I'm sure that it is in a safe place somewhere.
I enjoyed looking at your collection. What are you coming up with next?
Thanks for sharing them with us.
aaarestorations

Dwight Gruber · 03-26-2004, 10:46 PM

John S,

You are partly right. The 1902 Fat Barrel (in both American Eagle and Commercial), the first production Luger in Cal. 9mm, was an old-model gun and did indeed have dished toggles.

The 1906 American Eagle has a regular checkered toggle surface, and there was a version manufactured in 9mm. It is somewhat rarer than the .30 cal. 1906, Kenyon estimates there were about 3,000 manufactured stamped with the American Eagle. Both models came with a magaazine stamped Cal. 9mm in script along the length of the mag base.

Coffee, it looks, indeed, like this is a 9mm gun. Is this in fact the case and, if so, what is the magazine base marked?

--Dwight

drbuster · 03-26-2004, 11:09 PM

Coffeee, Dwight, and others, Jan Still in his Imperial Lugers, page 11, states that about 9400 1906 American Eagle Lugers were made, with serial numbers 25492-69000. 13900 AE's in 7.65 mm with the 4 3/4 inch barrel were made, serial numbers 25241-68977. Thus both the 9mm and 7,65mm were interspersed within the same serial number range. Unfortunately, this piece pictured appears to be reblued. The usual strawed parts look dark. This significantly diminishes its value.

03-26-2004, 11:38 AM	#1
coffeee User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1916 DWM Luger/Amercian Eagle/P38 & Ammo Recently I posted a 1916 DWM luger to establish a value on it and I got such a great response I have decided to share the other guns and acessories also....One is an Amercian Eagle which I have been told was a limited production of 100 (is this true)and it is in fair condition. The P38 has been in the family for 14 years. It is my understanding that it is a 1943 WW2 item. The machine marks on the side I have been told may indicate that it was made in a hurry toward the end of the war. Has all matching numbers, was purchased directly from the original WW 2 "bring back family" They never should have sold it. Some people are stupid. I guess that is what they will say about me if I sell. Also and I am not sure if these are rare or not I have Two boxes of WW2 9MM Luger ammo in the original German boxes. One is full the other is half full. Are these worth something....Then I have a rod of some description but I am not to sure about that.....If you can share some information with me about these things I would be delighted to hear from you!

03-26-2004, 01:56 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	coffeee, can you please share some closeup photos of the marks and detail information on your American Eagle? Depending on the serial number is can be quite rare or rather commonplace. Would you please post the serial number? The WW2 ammo in UNBROKEN boxes is worth about $20 on todays collector market... yours are broken open so somewhat less than $20 per full box. Don't shoot this stuff since it is corrosive, but keep it as an accessory to your WW2 guns. The machine marks on wartime p-38's is pretty common. Only their commercial guns really escaped leaving the factory like this. to learn more about P-38's visit our sister forum (that exists under the same roof) is p38forum.com They are neat guns, and I have one, but they don't hold the fascination or intrigue that the Luger does in my opinion. The cleaning rod appears to me to be Portuguese contract, but may just be a commercial DWM cleaning rod... The cleaning rods like this are not that common, and vary in price. You can find them on ebay occasionally but the price range escapes me at the moment... guessing around $35.00 to $75.00 or more. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-26-2004, 03:38 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Take it easy so you don't have a heart attach Mark...The American Eagle appears to have full knurled toggle knobs in the top photo ... The Fat Barrel 9mm 1906 had dished toggles as I remember... anybody want to confirm that? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-26-2004, 02:24 PM	#3
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	WHOA !! 1906 American Eagle in 9mm <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Or I'm mistaken....Very desirable pistol !! Close up photos please..... Ammo is, well John said it....Those are what we call around here ``black bullets``.....It gives those III Reich bullets some kind of mystique attached to'em....A lot of War stories associated with them..... P38: AC or BYF ?? Suffix letter ?? Close up photos requested again.... Interesting pieces you have there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> MARK

03-26-2004, 04:49 PM	#5
coffeee User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not the best at photography but I hope these give you a better feel for the gun.....the serial number on this gun is 460xx..........

03-26-2004, 09:20 PM	#6
aaarestorations New User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Coffee Do you know the year of your American Eagle? I had a cleaning rod like that. Now I will have to find it. I'm sure that it is in a safe place somewhere. I enjoyed looking at your collection. What are you coming up with next? Thanks for sharing them with us. aaarestorations

03-26-2004, 10:46 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	John S, You are partly right. The 1902 Fat Barrel (in both American Eagle and Commercial), the first production Luger in Cal. 9mm, was an old-model gun and did indeed have dished toggles. The 1906 American Eagle has a regular checkered toggle surface, and there was a version manufactured in 9mm. It is somewhat rarer than the .30 cal. 1906, Kenyon estimates there were about 3,000 manufactured stamped with the American Eagle. Both models came with a magaazine stamped Cal. 9mm in script along the length of the mag base. Coffee, it looks, indeed, like this is a 9mm gun. Is this in fact the case and, if so, what is the magazine base marked? --Dwight

03-26-2004, 11:09 PM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Coffeee, Dwight, and others, Jan Still in his Imperial Lugers, page 11, states that about 9400 1906 American Eagle Lugers were made, with serial numbers 25492-69000. 13900 AE's in 7.65 mm with the 4 3/4 inch barrel were made, serial numbers 25241-68977. Thus both the 9mm and 7,65mm were interspersed within the same serial number range. Unfortunately, this piece pictured appears to be reblued. The usual strawed parts look dark. This significantly diminishes its value.