Chromed Bring-Back

wterrell · 08-04-2002, 12:39 PM

Well, here is one of those chromed bring-backs that completes a collection. Feller says that it is all matching.

LINK:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=3046653

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And Another.

LINK:

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=3023844

Garfield · 08-04-2002, 02:35 PM

That first one looks as though it has been buffed so heavily that the top of the receiver is round.

Aaron · 08-04-2002, 06:07 PM

The uninformed refinisher who probably had never seen a Luger rounded it off to look more like a RUGER.

bradsimpson · 08-05-2002, 01:22 AM

Wes,
I have seen many vet bring-back Lugers that looked like that. I know that some Germans had their guns plated, but some of them are so crude. I've wondered if there were GI's having their guns plated after they brought them home? [img]confused.gif[/img]

Garfield · 08-05-2002, 03:02 AM

Brad:

I would like to hear about the Germans that had their pistols nickel plated. Seems like having a nikel plated hand gun in combat would be analogous to having a nickel plated helmet.

I do know that it was quite common for US post-war occupation forces to have their captured pistols nickel plated. It could be done at the local bicycle shop for a pack or two of cigerettes.

Don Francis · 08-05-2002, 03:51 PM

While the above pistols are nice, mine still has the original owners name on the barrel, Bohler Sthal. Must have been a high ranking officer to have such a nice sidearm.

Edward Tinker · 08-05-2002, 04:37 PM

Nice looking gun Don, that longer barrel is like a convertable, it always makes the thing look nicer!

[img]smile.gif[/img]

Roadkill · 08-05-2002, 04:49 PM

Are you sure that is how the last word spelled? If its "STAHL" then it means "steel" and Bohler is the manufacturers name.

RK

Herb · 08-05-2002, 05:07 PM

Don Francis, do you want some bad news?? If not, read no further. Your Luger has a replacement barrel made in Germany by either Oscar Will AG, Romerswerke AG, or Venuswaffenfabrik on contract from BÃ?Â¶hler Stahl for the model 24 rifle of the Finnish Civil Guard. It apparently has been cut down to fit the reciever and is probably in .30 cal. These barrels were manufactured from 1924 to 1928. BÃ?Â¶hler Stahl is still in the steel making business. Additionally it has been completely refinished, probably at the time the replacement barrel was installed, evidenced by the normally strawed parts being blued over, and the lack of crispness of the hump on the side plate and elsewhere indicative of heavy buffing. Take a look at this- http://talk.shooters.com/room_30/16807.cfm#107822
could this be yours?

Hugh · 08-05-2002, 09:55 PM

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Don Francis · 08-05-2002, 11:04 PM

As usual my attempts at gun humor fall flat on the their face. The barrel is marked Ã¢??Bohler Stahl Made in AustriaÃ¢?Â these were sold in varies lengths by Fed Ordnance some years back. This one was Ã¢??customizedÃ¢?Â by an infamous local gent back in the 1980Ã¢??s. It was a mismatched DWM in poor shape when I first saw it. Picked it up cheap some years later, really cheap judging by the Auction Arms results.

Herb · 08-05-2002, 11:20 PM

Hugh, stick it in your ear. {added by Ed, [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" /> } With all the newby posts here it is difficult to tell reality from truth. If one sits long enough and watches the posts it becomes easier, as you obviously do. I recommend that you attempt to assist rather than criticize the posts of others. I apologise in advance if I have offended you, but your post is offensive to me as I do my best to assist others on this forum using references that are available to me. Your comment of "get a life" is uncalled for, I have a life and at the present it is Lugers! I suggest that you 'get involved'.

Edward Tinker · 08-05-2002, 11:50 PM

Hey you guys, woke up on the wrong side of the bed?

[img]eek.gif[/img]

Remember, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Johnny Peppers · 08-05-2002, 11:52 PM

There is a plant in a town near me that manufacturers all types of light fixtures. Over the years many hundreds of pistols have made their way through their plating shop. Many of the pistols like Colt and S&W revolvers still reside in cigar boxes, as they would no longer go back together after the plating buildup. On the old forum I reported on a 1900 AE, serial number 4419 that was brought into the local gunshop by the family of the original owner. It too was in a box disassembled. It went back together, but the AE was almost entirely buffed off the receiver.

Edward Tinker · 08-05-2002, 11:57 PM

Johnny, I have usually heard that plating was rather thin, but I imagine it depends on type of plating used, how long it was dipped or whatever?

Interesting. I still want a nickled or chromed example for my collection, will keep looking, they seem to have inflated prices on many of them?

AGE · 08-06-2002, 12:00 AM

Ed,

Why not just get a late model stainless Mitchel? It should be better than a messed up original and just as collectible.

Herb · 08-06-2002, 12:13 AM

E.T. thanks for the slap up side the head, but I just took offense to the remark. In my opinion it was unnecessary and uncalled for based upon the info available. Why should I waste my time researching this stuff, which is considerable, when I could be out building the retaining wall that the wife wants finished before winter. It is easy to criticise rather than assist as is obvious in that post. It took a long time to dig out that info, now I am sorry that I even took the time to do it.

Edward Tinker · 08-06-2002, 12:46 AM

AGE, because I want an example of a messed up one! Crazy eh? Will keep the ole eyes open and pick one up (for cheapo) some time. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

And yes the Mitchel arms Luger would be all right too (one of them also I think).

Herb, I get my back up too, and your postins are great, so keep em up! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Doubs · 08-06-2002, 12:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Edward Tinker:
<strong> And yes the Mitchel arms Luger would be all right too (one of them also I think).</strong><hr></blockquote>

A friend of mine has had one of the Mitchel Arms Lugers for five or six years. In that time he hasn't found a commercial load that would reliably work the action so about a month ago I loaded 10 rounds of 125 grain FMJ and 6.0 grains of Unique. When I talked to him last Sunday, he told me that all ten rounds went through perfectly. Now all he has to do is round up some dies and he'll be in business. I don't know if his Mitchel is typical but it seems that the recoil spring is pretty stiff.

Johnny Peppers · 08-06-2002, 05:32 PM

Edward,
The sideplates on older Colt and S&W revolvers are almost a tap in fit. It only takes a small buildup to prevent them from going back into the frame.

08-05-2002, 04:37 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Nice looking gun Don, that longer barrel is like a convertable, it always makes the thing look nicer! [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-05-2002, 05:07 PM	#9
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Don Francis, do you want some bad news?? If not, read no further. Your Luger has a replacement barrel made in Germany by either Oscar Will AG, Romerswerke AG, or Venuswaffenfabrik on contract from BÃ?Â¶hler Stahl for the model 24 rifle of the Finnish Civil Guard. It apparently has been cut down to fit the reciever and is probably in .30 cal. These barrels were manufactured from 1924 to 1928. BÃ?Â¶hler Stahl is still in the steel making business. Additionally it has been completely refinished, probably at the time the replacement barrel was installed, evidenced by the normally strawed parts being blued over, and the lack of crispness of the hump on the side plate and elsewhere indicative of heavy buffing. Take a look at this- http://talk.shooters.com/room_30/16807.cfm#107822 could this be yours? __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-05-2002, 11:20 PM	#12
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hugh, stick it in your ear. {added by Ed, [img]eek.gif[/img] <img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" /> } With all the newby posts here it is difficult to tell reality from truth. If one sits long enough and watches the posts it becomes easier, as you obviously do. I recommend that you attempt to assist rather than criticize the posts of others. I apologise in advance if I have offended you, but your post is offensive to me as I do my best to assist others on this forum using references that are available to me. Your comment of "get a life" is uncalled for, I have a life and at the present it is Lugers! I suggest that you 'get involved'. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-05-2002, 11:50 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Hey you guys, woke up on the wrong side of the bed? [img]eek.gif[/img] Remember, <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-05-2002, 11:57 PM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Johnny, I have usually heard that plating was rather thin, but I imagine it depends on type of plating used, how long it was dipped or whatever? Interesting. I still want a nickled or chromed example for my collection, will keep looking, they seem to have inflated prices on many of them? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2002, 12:39 PM	#1
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Chromed Bring-Back Well, here is one of those chromed bring-backs that completes a collection. Feller says that it is all matching. LINK: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=3046653 -------------------------------------------- And Another. LINK: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temNum=3023844 __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-04-2002, 02:35 PM	#2
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That first one looks as though it has been buffed so heavily that the top of the receiver is round.

08-04-2002, 06:07 PM	#3
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	The uninformed refinisher who probably had never seen a Luger rounded it off to look more like a RUGER.

08-05-2002, 01:22 AM	#4
bradsimpson User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Galesburg, IL Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts	Wes, I have seen many vet bring-back Lugers that looked like that. I know that some Germans had their guns plated, but some of them are so crude. I've wondered if there were GI's having their guns plated after they brought them home? [img]confused.gif[/img]

08-05-2002, 03:02 AM	#5
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brad: I would like to hear about the Germans that had their pistols nickel plated. Seems like having a nikel plated hand gun in combat would be analogous to having a nickel plated helmet. I do know that it was quite common for US post-war occupation forces to have their captured pistols nickel plated. It could be done at the local bicycle shop for a pack or two of cigerettes.

08-05-2002, 03:51 PM	#6
Don Francis New User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	While the above pistols are nice, mine still has the original owners name on the barrel, Bohler Sthal. Must have been a high ranking officer to have such a nice sidearm.

08-05-2002, 04:49 PM	#8
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Are you sure that is how the last word spelled? If its "STAHL" then it means "steel" and Bohler is the manufacturers name. RK

08-05-2002, 09:55 PM	#10
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	<img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" /> Removed by Hugh <img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-05-2002, 11:04 PM	#11
Don Francis New User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	As usual my attempts at gun humor fall flat on the their face. The barrel is marked Ã¢??Bohler Stahl Made in AustriaÃ¢?Â these were sold in varies lengths by Fed Ordnance some years back. This one was Ã¢??customizedÃ¢?Â by an infamous local gent back in the 1980Ã¢??s. It was a mismatched DWM in poor shape when I first saw it. Picked it up cheap some years later, really cheap judging by the Auction Arms results.

08-05-2002, 11:52 PM	#14
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There is a plant in a town near me that manufacturers all types of light fixtures. Over the years many hundreds of pistols have made their way through their plating shop. Many of the pistols like Colt and S&W revolvers still reside in cigar boxes, as they would no longer go back together after the plating buildup. On the old forum I reported on a 1900 AE, serial number 4419 that was brought into the local gunshop by the family of the original owner. It too was in a box disassembled. It went back together, but the AE was almost entirely buffed off the receiver.

08-06-2002, 12:00 AM	#16
AGE User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, Why not just get a late model stainless Mitchel? It should be better than a messed up original and just as collectible. __________________ Al Eggers (AGE) NRA Life Member

08-06-2002, 12:13 AM	#17
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	E.T. thanks for the slap up side the head, but I just took offense to the remark. In my opinion it was unnecessary and uncalled for based upon the info available. Why should I waste my time researching this stuff, which is considerable, when I could be out building the retaining wall that the wife wants finished before winter. It is easy to criticise rather than assist as is obvious in that post. It took a long time to dig out that info, now I am sorry that I even took the time to do it. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-06-2002, 12:46 AM	#18
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	AGE, because I want an example of a messed up one! Crazy eh? Will keep the ole eyes open and pick one up (for cheapo) some time. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] And yes the Mitchel arms Luger would be all right too (one of them also I think). Herb, I get my back up too, and your postins are great, so keep em up! [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-06-2002, 12:12 PM	#19
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 772 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Edward Tinker: <strong> And yes the Mitchel arms Luger would be all right too (one of them also I think).</strong><hr></blockquote> A friend of mine has had one of the Mitchel Arms Lugers for five or six years. In that time he hasn't found a commercial load that would reliably work the action so about a month ago I loaded 10 rounds of 125 grain FMJ and 6.0 grains of Unique. When I talked to him last Sunday, he told me that all ten rounds went through perfectly. Now all he has to do is round up some dies and he'll be in business. I don't know if his Mitchel is typical but it seems that the recoil spring is pretty stiff.

08-06-2002, 05:32 PM	#20
Johnny Peppers User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calion, Arkansas Posts: 1,042 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Edward, The sideplates on older Colt and S&W revolvers are almost a tap in fit. It only takes a small buildup to prevent them from going back into the frame.