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How about this for a Swiss adaptation of Georg Luger's work ![](http://boards.rennl</strong>
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Swiss Toggle Furrer Sub-Machine Gun based on the Luger system.<br />
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03-28-2001, 08:39 PM
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Any idea of the caliber of each of these? (EOM)
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Re: Any idea of the caliber of each of these?
I "believe" the carbine was 8mm as it was being developed during the war.... It was a prototype sn4 and it sold at Butterfield in the 6 figures....
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03-29-2001, 03:58 AM
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Re: Any idea of the caliber of each of these? ![](http://boards.rennlist.com/luger/</strong>
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The toggle-action carbine was one of the two projects that Georg Luger was working on during the few years after he left DWM up to 1923. The other was a machine pistol based on the LP 08. General Manuel Mondragon�´s gas cylinder self loading rifle, the Flieger SL Carbine (Mondragon Rifle 08) had not been a success and most military authorities in Germany and Switzerland thought that the future lay in developing the toggle action. Luger�´s toggle action rifle was considered too dangerous as the toggle opened too close to the soldier�´s face.The machine pistol was 9mm and the rifle took the standard S- cartridge ((8x57 mm). Patrick<br />
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There was a similar, toggle action carbine prototype, that was made by the springfield armory around the same time. The toggle was much more compact with flat ears, and I assume similar internals... I wonder how well they worked?
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03-29-2001, 02:46 PM
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Can we post these these pictures???
I think these would be fun to put on the site. I will gladly give copyright credit to the original photo holder... please advise.
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Here is the info for the book they came from ![](http://boards.rennlist.com/luger/p</strong>
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Parabellum: A Technical History of Swiss Lugers by Vittorio Bobba<br />
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This book is out of print. There is one on eBay right now, just do a search for "swiss lugers" and you will see it. Current bid is $95.00<br />
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Apparently published by Priuli & Verlucca; ASIN: 8880680528 according to Amazon.com<br />
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I wish it were mine. Maybe one you rich board of governors guys can buy it so the forum can at least have access to the photos!<br />
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(At least the photo of the subgun I posted.) (EOM)
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Re: Can we post these these pictures???
Dok - the pictures came from old German magazines, so I would think that they�´re yours if you want them. The Luger carbine drawings are from Georg Luger�´s personal documents - and I�´m sure he wouldn�´t mind. Patrick
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I'm sure he would be pleased actually!  (EOM)
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Re: I'm sure he would be pleased actually!
DOK, The luger carbine prototype was posted by Butterfield's auction site in 1999. I have no idea if they would be upset, however the auction is so old that it is no longer listed on the site... FGR
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Is an excellent book...
The photo's are outstanding - as well as documenting some facts that he challanges Kenyon about. The photos are well worth the price for the book alone, IMHO...
Oh yea - I bought my copy (new) some time ago from Ray Rilings in PA (highly recommended!). Don't know if they have additional copies still??? |
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