Is the SOS S-O-L?

George Anderson · 11-06-2018, 02:26 PM

Social Justice Warriors at work.

https://wfpl.org/after-racist-mercha...tricter-rules/

calibrator · 11-07-2018, 09:59 AM

I quit going to gun shows 4-5 yrs ago. We do have the large Cross Roads show here yearly in December with the Small Arms Review contingent in their own building.

Used to always see an old boy with 3-4 tables that had nothing but WW II German stuff, original and repro. Didn't see him the last few shows I did attend. He was old enough to be ready for his next big adventure. I don't re-call this being a BIG deal, just part of the reality of the Gun Show Culture, along with beef jerky and cheap jewelry. But this was before the 8 yrs of ... , and the country's new focus on History.

I prefer being treated like an adult, and not have the nasty real world censored to protect the feelings of a few.

Edward Tinker · 11-07-2018, 01:33 PM

I have to agree with the above - to censure historical items seems very un-American. I don't collect (xxxx fill in your pet peeve) but to limit it is stupid. E-bay limits gun items, and flags, but you can still buy black americana, to include slave items. WTH? Besides nasty things I would never even go look at or buy...

Lyn Islaub · 11-07-2018, 04:58 PM

Calibrator,
You were probably referring to Dieter, who always had a lot of WW2 memorabilia, authentic and not, at the PHX shows. Dieter passed on a couple of years ago to my understanding. The 3-day PHX Show (Crossroads/SAR) at the end of this month is the only gun show in PHX worth attending anymore. I have 2 tables in what is referred to as the machine gun building (SAR) and there are always Lugers to buy and sell in that building. I'll have half a dozen myself to part with.
Lyn

MikeP · 11-07-2018, 07:30 PM

Gun shows stopped being cool over 40 years ago. Still something to do if one chooses.

Jasta2 · 11-07-2018, 08:20 PM

I just hope one of the extremist does not get a picture of a Nazi proof mark on a Luger or Mauser !!

As for Ebay no longer selling guns, I was told that the Gunbroker site was created by Ebay after they quit auctioning guns. As I recall back then. The Gunbroker site ( I do not think it was Auction Arms) was set up exactly like eBay's auction listings. I know it bears no resemblance to Ebay now.
As for gun shows in general, the last one I attended here in Lakeland, if you removed all the AR-15s and their accessories, there would only be about 25% of the show left.

Just found this posting https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8103615AAjU7ln

calibrator · 11-08-2018, 11:05 AM

Jasta2

Lakeland Fla, isn't that the town were the recent school shooting took place ? It seems to have become a hotbed for budding SJWs. Too many ??? surrounding what is really going on in that jurisdiction.

You ARE right about the Nazi proof marks on Lugers. All it will take is one SJW "reporter" to notice, and all Luger collectors will be demonized as "glorifying Nazi-ism", guilty of exercising their "White Privilege" by buying and owning such expensive firearms that the average "Minority" person cannot afford to own. As such they will he called "Racist", "anti-Semitic", ... etc. Isn't this the tactic that the SJWs employ these days ??? Look at how the state flags of Mississippi and Georgia were vilified and forced to change due to pressure, as well as ALL the statues of Confederate War Heros being destroyed and removed.

Just as every State has a State Flower, State Bird, ... etc, there are things that instantly bring to mind (at least to me) a certain image. For America, it is either the Colt SSA, or the 1911. For Britain it is the .303 Enfield. For WWII Germany it is the Luger.

I came here nearly 10 yrs ago to celebrate my new passion for owning examples of the exquisitely designed Luger. I had 7 in my collection at it's zenith. I now own 2, a 1913 DWM and a 1918 LP08 rig. I try to take every opportunity to make people aware of how close we actually are to losing our rights to own firearms these days, that's why I take the time to make these posts (as well as keep my mind and typing skills sharp

).

Please be aware of how your in-action to become socially active will ultimately affect your freedoms (especially younger people). I'm old enough (65) to have seen the Golden Years of the '50s, and I'm now seeing what appears to be the death of that Dream, so from that perspective it's been a great adventure. I hope I don't see another Civil War before I'm gone (?).

Jasta2 · 11-08-2018, 11:29 AM

I'm 68, and remember the good times, and bad times, of the 50's and 60's. The best anyone can do is support organizations like the NRA, of which I disagree on a few issues, and get out and vote. I'm from Virginia My great, great, maybe 3 greats, grandfather fought for the south. Was wounded and captured at Gettysburg. In the family burial plot at the old farm house, there is a monument to him put there by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It would be very unpleasant outcome for anyone to come on the farm and try to remove that!
The mass shooting was not in Lakeland.

Jasta2 · 11-08-2018, 11:40 AM

There is a huge demand for original black memorabilia out there. Original items from the past are getting quite costly, you would be surprised at some prices it brings. The collectors are not only white, but many blacks also. This is a reply to Ed's post. History is history. Nothing anyone can do will erase it.

HerrKaiser · 11-08-2018, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasta2

There is a huge demand for original black memorabilia out there. Original items from the past are getting quite costly, you would be surprised at some prices it brings. The collectors are not only white, but many blacks also. This is a reply to Ed's post. History is history. Nothing anyone can do will erase it.

It may be true that history cannot be erased. But from my experiences so far at college for the last 5 years they are trying like hell to suppress it as best they can when it doesn’t fit their worldview or agenda. We are even having these types of discussions in our history department of how to save history from being suppressed now that “postmodernist” thoughts are gaining steam. (what does that even mean? Modern is defined as “now” so postmodern is what, future thought?)

calibrator · 11-08-2018, 05:50 PM

While history is not currently being re-written, it certainly is being massaged into fitting agendas, or is being purposely glossed-over as an inconvenient truth to certain ideology. Even 15-20 yrs ago I used to enjoy asking High School aged kids I would meet if they knew who America fought during WWII. Most (slightly more than 1/2) would say Germany, but were incredulous when I stated that we also fought Japan simultaneously. There was an alarming amount that had no idea who we fought against. Japan was often viewed as a "victim of the War" from their studies because of the Nukes that were used by the US to end the War.

I recommend viewing Oliver Stone's "The Untold History Of The United States", it has been a eye-opener for me, has been vetted for accuracy, and is available for free if you get Netflix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Un..._United_States

HerrKaiser · 11-08-2018, 05:58 PM

Calibrator,

I watched the Oliver Stone series and was very impressed by the work he did in there. As for the who did we fight part, I remember watching some Canadian skit where they asked some college student what they thought about the CUURENT state of Germany with Hitler in power. They interviewed a college student of some kind and he started speaking about how he opposed some of Hitler's policies but saw them as the bastion of the current EU....utterly clueless about who he actually was. I wish I had seen it in a place where I could have kept the URL instead of seeing it through a social media platform.

Diver6106 · 12-28-2018, 03:48 PM

Not to be political, but... I WILL NOT give up gun shows, museums, statuary art, or other historical points of reference to those who wish to sanitize out the bad to make them politically correct - as time changes. The ability to see, touch and own history and collect other views is a freedom I enjoy as my right to "pursuit of happiness." And individuals or groups that attempt this, are akin to Al Qaeda destroying world heritage sites.

George Anderson · 12-28-2018, 05:29 PM

And so it continues...https://www.newsadvance.com/news/tre...ly%20Headlines

cirelaw · 12-28-2018, 06:43 PM

The Untold History Of The United States~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZBRcdy7ndI

cirelaw · 12-28-2018, 06:48 PM

Part 2~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO45...UGX-jGMzlQ_nvP

Edward Tinker · 12-28-2018, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

Eric, while a very fascinating and excellent series (fully available on Netflix to those who have a subscription to it), I don’t know how relevant to the topic thread it is.

it was brought up in post 11 and post 12 ??

HerrKaiser · 12-28-2018, 09:38 PM

Apologies, has been a long time since this thread has been revisited. Will remove comment.

Norme · 12-29-2018, 09:07 AM

Back in the 1970's when I was an antique dealer in NY, I attended an auction at a famous Manhattan gallery. Most of the attendees were fellow dealers who I knew well. Among the items for sale were some from the descendants of the doctor who had attended Napoleon when he died in exile on St. Helena in 1821. As I recall, there were a pair of silver mounted hairbrushes with the Napoleonic monogram, some campaign utensils similarly marked, and a silver casket which the auction house described, with great delicacy, as containing Napoleon's appendage. (If you think I'm kidding look it up on Wikipedia). Apparently the doctor had preserved the item as a keepsake. I don't know what it looked like in life, but 150 years after death it had shriveled down to the size of a cashew nut.
Bidding was brisk on the first two lots but when the casket came up for sale a hush descended on the room and we were all looking around to see who would bid on the item. Despite several attempts by the auctioneer to get the bidding started, no-one raised a hand and the item went unsold.
I think collecting Hitleriana is like that, no-one wants to be known as "the guy who bought Napoleon's appendage".
Norm

cirelaw · 12-29-2018, 05:59 PM

I thought a direct link world be more convenient!

11-06-2018, 02:26 PM	#1
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Is the SOS S-O-L? Social Justice Warriors at work. https://wfpl.org/after-racist-mercha...tricter-rules/

11-08-2018, 05:58 PM	#12
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 809 Thanks: 759 Thanked 805 Times in 382 Posts	Calibrator, I watched the Oliver Stone series and was very impressed by the work he did in there. As for the who did we fight part, I remember watching some Canadian skit where they asked some college student what they thought about the CUURENT state of Germany with Hitler in power. They interviewed a college student of some kind and he started speaking about how he opposed some of Hitler's policies but saw them as the bastion of the current EU....utterly clueless about who he actually was. I wish I had seen it in a place where I could have kept the URL instead of seeing it through a social media platform. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

12-28-2018, 09:38 PM	#18
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 809 Thanks: 759 Thanked 805 Times in 382 Posts	Apologies, has been a long time since this thread has been revisited. Will remove comment. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

11-07-2018, 09:59 AM	#2
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	I quit going to gun shows 4-5 yrs ago. We do have the large Cross Roads show here yearly in December with the Small Arms Review contingent in their own building. Used to always see an old boy with 3-4 tables that had nothing but WW II German stuff, original and repro. Didn't see him the last few shows I did attend. He was old enough to be ready for his next big adventure. I don't re-call this being a BIG deal, just part of the reality of the Gun Show Culture, along with beef jerky and cheap jewelry. But this was before the 8 yrs of ... , and the country's new focus on History. I prefer being treated like an adult, and not have the nasty real world censored to protect the feelings of a few.

11-07-2018, 01:33 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I have to agree with the above - to censure historical items seems very un-American. I don't collect (xxxx fill in your pet peeve) but to limit it is stupid. E-bay limits gun items, and flags, but you can still buy black americana, to include slave items. WTH? Besides nasty things I would never even go look at or buy...

11-07-2018, 04:58 PM	#4
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Calibrator, You were probably referring to Dieter, who always had a lot of WW2 memorabilia, authentic and not, at the PHX shows. Dieter passed on a couple of years ago to my understanding. The 3-day PHX Show (Crossroads/SAR) at the end of this month is the only gun show in PHX worth attending anymore. I have 2 tables in what is referred to as the machine gun building (SAR) and there are always Lugers to buy and sell in that building. I'll have half a dozen myself to part with. Lyn

11-07-2018, 07:30 PM	#5
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Gun shows stopped being cool over 40 years ago. Still something to do if one chooses.

11-07-2018, 08:20 PM	#6
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	I just hope one of the extremist does not get a picture of a Nazi proof mark on a Luger or Mauser !! As for Ebay no longer selling guns, I was told that the Gunbroker site was created by Ebay after they quit auctioning guns. As I recall back then. The Gunbroker site ( I do not think it was Auction Arms) was set up exactly like eBay's auction listings. I know it bears no resemblance to Ebay now. As for gun shows in general, the last one I attended here in Lakeland, if you removed all the AR-15s and their accessories, there would only be about 25% of the show left. Just found this posting https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...8103615AAjU7ln

11-08-2018, 11:05 AM	#7
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	Jasta2 Lakeland Fla, isn't that the town were the recent school shooting took place ? It seems to have become a hotbed for budding SJWs. Too many ??? surrounding what is really going on in that jurisdiction. You ARE right about the Nazi proof marks on Lugers. All it will take is one SJW "reporter" to notice, and all Luger collectors will be demonized as "glorifying Nazi-ism", guilty of exercising their "White Privilege" by buying and owning such expensive firearms that the average "Minority" person cannot afford to own. As such they will he called "Racist", "anti-Semitic", ... etc. Isn't this the tactic that the SJWs employ these days ??? Look at how the state flags of Mississippi and Georgia were vilified and forced to change due to pressure, as well as ALL the statues of Confederate War Heros being destroyed and removed. Just as every State has a State Flower, State Bird, ... etc, there are things that instantly bring to mind (at least to me) a certain image. For America, it is either the Colt SSA, or the 1911. For Britain it is the .303 Enfield. For WWII Germany it is the Luger. I came here nearly 10 yrs ago to celebrate my new passion for owning examples of the exquisitely designed Luger. I had 7 in my collection at it's zenith. I now own 2, a 1913 DWM and a 1918 LP08 rig. I try to take every opportunity to make people aware of how close we actually are to losing our rights to own firearms these days, that's why I take the time to make these posts (as well as keep my mind and typing skills sharp ). Please be aware of how your in-action to become socially active will ultimately affect your freedoms (especially younger people). I'm old enough (65) to have seen the Golden Years of the '50s, and I'm now seeing what appears to be the death of that Dream, so from that perspective it's been a great adventure. I hope I don't see another Civil War before I'm gone (?).

11-08-2018, 11:29 AM	#8
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	I'm 68, and remember the good times, and bad times, of the 50's and 60's. The best anyone can do is support organizations like the NRA, of which I disagree on a few issues, and get out and vote. I'm from Virginia My great, great, maybe 3 greats, grandfather fought for the south. Was wounded and captured at Gettysburg. In the family burial plot at the old farm house, there is a monument to him put there by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It would be very unpleasant outcome for anyone to come on the farm and try to remove that! The mass shooting was not in Lakeland.

11-08-2018, 11:40 AM	#9
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	There is a huge demand for original black memorabilia out there. Original items from the past are getting quite costly, you would be surprised at some prices it brings. The collectors are not only white, but many blacks also. This is a reply to Ed's post. History is history. Nothing anyone can do will erase it.

11-08-2018, 05:50 PM	#11
calibrator User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cave Creek Posts: 315 Thanks: 55 Thanked 242 Times in 92 Posts	While history is not currently being re-written, it certainly is being massaged into fitting agendas, or is being purposely glossed-over as an inconvenient truth to certain ideology. Even 15-20 yrs ago I used to enjoy asking High School aged kids I would meet if they knew who America fought during WWII. Most (slightly more than 1/2) would say Germany, but were incredulous when I stated that we also fought Japan simultaneously. There was an alarming amount that had no idea who we fought against. Japan was often viewed as a "victim of the War" from their studies because of the Nukes that were used by the US to end the War. I recommend viewing Oliver Stone's "The Untold History Of The United States", it has been a eye-opener for me, has been vetted for accuracy, and is available for free if you get Netflix. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Un..._United_States

12-28-2018, 03:48 PM	#13
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,420 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	Not to be political, but... I WILL NOT give up gun shows, museums, statuary art, or other historical points of reference to those who wish to sanitize out the bad to make them politically correct - as time changes. The ability to see, touch and own history and collect other views is a freedom I enjoy as my right to "pursuit of happiness." And individuals or groups that attempt this, are akin to Al Qaeda destroying world heritage sites.

12-28-2018, 05:29 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	And so it continues...https://www.newsadvance.com/news/tre...ly%20Headlines

12-28-2018, 06:43 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The Untold History Of The United States~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZBRcdy7ndI

12-28-2018, 06:48 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Part 2~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO45...UGX-jGMzlQ_nvP

12-29-2018, 09:07 AM	#19
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,415 Thanks: 225 Thanked 2,594 Times in 931 Posts	Back in the 1970's when I was an antique dealer in NY, I attended an auction at a famous Manhattan gallery. Most of the attendees were fellow dealers who I knew well. Among the items for sale were some from the descendants of the doctor who had attended Napoleon when he died in exile on St. Helena in 1821. As I recall, there were a pair of silver mounted hairbrushes with the Napoleonic monogram, some campaign utensils similarly marked, and a silver casket which the auction house described, with great delicacy, as containing Napoleon's appendage. (If you think I'm kidding look it up on Wikipedia). Apparently the doctor had preserved the item as a keepsake. I don't know what it looked like in life, but 150 years after death it had shriveled down to the size of a cashew nut. Bidding was brisk on the first two lots but when the casket came up for sale a hush descended on the room and we were all looking around to see who would bid on the item. Despite several attempts by the auctioneer to get the bidding started, no-one raised a hand and the item went unsold. I think collecting Hitleriana is like that, no-one wants to be known as "the guy who bought Napoleon's appendage". Norm

12-29-2018, 05:59 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I thought a direct link world be more convenient!