Baby Luger for sale on Gun Broker

Joe in Colorado · 07-11-2016, 07:32 AM

I just noticed this Mauser Parabellum Baby Luger for sale on Gun Broker:http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570461042

I'm not related to the seller-just an FYI about this pistol for advanced collectors. The auction closes July 17.

By the way-if anyone can spare one of those blue Mauser Parabellum hang tags I'd like to buy one please, thank you, Joe (JLSJOE55@hotmail.com)

tomaustin · 07-11-2016, 12:11 PM

you fellows recognize that serial number.....?

Edward Tinker · 07-11-2016, 01:08 PM

no, who had 101 ?

Sturgess collection?

Says it is courtesy of Dr Gminder archive.....

John Sabato · 07-11-2016, 01:45 PM

I was unaware that Mauser had produced this prototype during the 1970's production run. It is quite a rarity if that is the case. I am surprised that it isn't already in VLIM's or Mauro's collection!

the no-reserve bid at the time of this post is only $505.00 with 6 days of the auction left. I think it would be a bargain value at 5 times that price.

Just my humble opinion here...

Edward Tinker · 07-11-2016, 02:04 PM

Well, its in the USA, so harder for the European based guys (Vlim and Mauro) to get.

Its one of three shown in their book...

Ed

DonVoigt · 07-11-2016, 03:56 PM

That bid it is more than it is worth!

Stay away , those '70s Mausers are troublesome, should go only to a good home in NC.

No need to stir the pot on these sleepers, jmho.

ithacaartist · 07-11-2016, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

No need to stir the pot on these sleepers, jmho.

I have the same dilemma sometimes, over a gun that I'd like to have (but cannot afford!), if it seems that it is relatively undiscovered/underbid. There's a decent-looking 4" X 9mm '06 AE on Proxibid that I passed on to the forum the other day...did you see that one?

DonVoigt · 07-11-2016, 05:48 PM

I don't search proxibid often, I find more stuff than I can afford with the "usual suspect" sites!
But thanks.

I do need/want a special luger frame for another project, one with a grip safety and stock lug.
Some of the early commercials and navys fill the bill, but then you run into those cussed long shank frames, AND they are hard to find or expensive or both. This would be for a carbine clone.

tomaustin · 07-11-2016, 07:07 PM

The Mauser firm, for the first time in the Luger history, codified the caliber of the pistol in the serial number pattern. The following pattern is used for the Parabellum in .30 Luger 10.xxxxxx and 11.xxxxxx for the 9mm. Another important point to correctly understand the Parabellum serial numbering is that Mauser reserved the first 1000 numbers for prototypes and special production. Therefore, the first commercial model in .30 Luger is numbered 10.001001 and 11.001001 for the 9mm. For example the pistol numbered 10.001019 is the 19th pistol made in .30 Luger. Note that only the pistols sold in Europe are dated, the models exported in USA present only the FBM (Internal Mauser Proof).

ithacaartist · 07-11-2016, 10:48 PM

The nature of the original post and the flow of responses to it make me think this thread belongs in another section--perhaps the General Discussions area. I urge a moderator to move it, otherwise we're running roughshod over the rules of the For Sale section!

OLDJARHEAD · 07-12-2016, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The nature of the original post and the flow of responses to it make me think this thread belongs in another section--perhaps the General Discussions area. I urge a moderator to move it, otherwise we're running roughshod over the rules of the For Sale section!

Well said and I agree 100%.

Vlim · 07-12-2016, 06:05 AM

Moved the thread.

aldo35 · 07-19-2016, 07:18 AM

This little beauty sold for $4800 yesterday!
Aldo35

Evan Duke · 08-09-2016, 10:57 PM

Yes it did sell. It is now in my collection

sheepherder · 08-09-2016, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan Duke

Yes it did sell. It is now in my collection

Excellent buy!

Do you have plans for a detailed pictorial of it??? I would be quite curious as to whether they took a completed frame/barrel and chopped & channeled them, or whether they machined it to size from scratch...

Vlim · 08-10-2016, 02:38 AM

Congratulations!

hayhugh · 08-10-2016, 07:18 AM

Same seller also sold the Swiss equivalent/brother to this gun since. More info/photos would be appreciated a very curious audience for either pistol!

Eugen · 08-10-2016, 09:20 AM

Hats off to Mr. Duke on that score!

As a novice collector I am learning that there are some every special and rare Lugers out there. Geez, on my budget, I would be happy if I could acquire a nice Navy or Artillery rig.

Evan Duke · 08-10-2016, 11:04 AM

Hi All, Thanks for the information. I haven't received it yet ,but my evaluation from just looking at the pictures tends to make me think that this was a re work of a Swiss Bern Luger. From what I have been able to find out all of the production Mauser equipment was dismantled and disposed of after the war. There was a need for smaller pocket pistols. Because of the huge expense for re tooling the thought was to take a already existing Luger and re machine it into a smaller version. Since there was a large quantity of virtually new Swiss lugers available this seemed to be the best option. Rumor has it that only 3 to5 of these factory prototype babies were produced. For some reason the project was stopped. Perhaps because of the already existing ppk , walther, sauer, and many other available options the belief could have been that a smaller version of the Luger would not be a profitable option. Also from what I have been able to find these prototypes were not from the 70s but closer to the 50s. What can any of you add to this ? Have any books been written on these babies. Google does not give much in the way of information on these prototypes. Thanks guys

John Sabato · 08-10-2016, 12:02 PM

I think you will find all you need to know here:

http://www.theparabellumisback.com/

Authored by two of our very recognizable forum members...

I am sure you will find it an interesting read.

07-11-2016, 07:32 AM	#1
Joe in Colorado User Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 71 Thanks: 103 Thanked 136 Times in 38 Posts	Baby Luger for sale on Gun Broker I just noticed this Mauser Parabellum Baby Luger for sale on Gun Broker:http://www.gunbroker.com/item/570461042 I'm not related to the seller-just an FYI about this pistol for advanced collectors. The auction closes July 17. By the way-if anyone can spare one of those blue Mauser Parabellum hang tags I'd like to buy one please, thank you, Joe (JLSJOE55@hotmail.com) Attached Thumbnails

07-11-2016, 01:45 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I was unaware that Mauser had produced this prototype during the 1970's production run. It is quite a rarity if that is the case. I am surprised that it isn't already in VLIM's or Mauro's collection! the no-reserve bid at the time of this post is only $505.00 with 6 days of the auction left. I think it would be a bargain value at 5 times that price. Just my humble opinion here... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-11-2016, 03:56 PM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	That bid it is more than it is worth! Stay away , those '70s Mausers are troublesome, should go only to a good home in NC. No need to stir the pot on these sleepers, jmho. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-11-2016, 05:48 PM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	I don't search proxibid often, I find more stuff than I can afford with the "usual suspect" sites! But thanks. I do need/want a special luger frame for another project, one with a grip safety and stock lug. Some of the early commercials and navys fill the bill, but then you run into those cussed long shank frames, AND they are hard to find or expensive or both. This would be for a carbine clone. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-11-2016, 10:48 PM	#10
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,368 Thanks: 7,432 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,378 Posts	The nature of the original post and the flow of responses to it make me think this thread belongs in another section--perhaps the General Discussions area. I urge a moderator to move it, otherwise we're running roughshod over the rules of the For Sale section! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

07-11-2016, 12:11 PM	#2
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	you fellows recognize that serial number.....?

07-11-2016, 01:08 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	no, who had 101 ? Sturgess collection? Says it is courtesy of Dr Gminder archive.....

07-11-2016, 02:04 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Well, its in the USA, so harder for the European based guys (Vlim and Mauro) to get. Its one of three shown in their book... Ed

07-11-2016, 07:07 PM	#9
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	The Mauser firm, for the first time in the Luger history, codified the caliber of the pistol in the serial number pattern. The following pattern is used for the Parabellum in .30 Luger 10.xxxxxx and 11.xxxxxx for the 9mm. Another important point to correctly understand the Parabellum serial numbering is that Mauser reserved the first 1000 numbers for prototypes and special production. Therefore, the first commercial model in .30 Luger is numbered 10.001001 and 11.001001 for the 9mm. For example the pistol numbered 10.001019 is the 19th pistol made in .30 Luger. Note that only the pistols sold in Europe are dated, the models exported in USA present only the FBM (Internal Mauser Proof).

07-12-2016, 06:05 AM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Moved the thread.

07-19-2016, 07:18 AM	#13
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 389 Thanks: 2,294 Thanked 180 Times in 89 Posts	Baby Luger on GB This little beauty sold for $4800 yesterday! Aldo35

08-09-2016, 10:57 PM	#14
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	My Baby luger Yes it did sell. It is now in my collection

08-10-2016, 02:38 AM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Congratulations!

08-10-2016, 07:18 AM	#17
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 877 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	Same seller also sold the Swiss equivalent/brother to this gun since. More info/photos would be appreciated a very curious audience for either pistol!

08-10-2016, 09:20 AM	#18
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 793 Thanks: 400 Thanked 634 Times in 336 Posts	Hats off to Mr. Duke on that score! As a novice collector I am learning that there are some every special and rare Lugers out there. Geez, on my budget, I would be happy if I could acquire a nice Navy or Artillery rig. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

08-10-2016, 11:04 AM	#19
Evan Duke User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	Hi All, Thanks for the information. I haven't received it yet ,but my evaluation from just looking at the pictures tends to make me think that this was a re work of a Swiss Bern Luger. From what I have been able to find out all of the production Mauser equipment was dismantled and disposed of after the war. There was a need for smaller pocket pistols. Because of the huge expense for re tooling the thought was to take a already existing Luger and re machine it into a smaller version. Since there was a large quantity of virtually new Swiss lugers available this seemed to be the best option. Rumor has it that only 3 to5 of these factory prototype babies were produced. For some reason the project was stopped. Perhaps because of the already existing ppk , walther, sauer, and many other available options the belief could have been that a smaller version of the Luger would not be a profitable option. Also from what I have been able to find these prototypes were not from the 70s but closer to the 50s. What can any of you add to this ? Have any books been written on these babies. Google does not give much in the way of information on these prototypes. Thanks guys

08-10-2016, 12:02 PM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I think you will find all you need to know here: http://www.theparabellumisback.com/ Authored by two of our very recognizable forum members... I am sure you will find it an interesting read. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*