I just came into this gun....

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 05:43 PM

Hi all. Any info on this would help this newbee.

The gun has 1920 and 1917 stamped on it...

The paper lists it as captured enemy equipment. Ignore the knife in the pics. I thought it
was part of the German property but it has nothing to do with the gun or the knife also
listed in the doc.

wayne8661 · 07-07-2016, 05:45 PM

Any maker marks on the knife?

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 05:54 PM

A little rooster-like thing on the upper edge of one of the
black handles.

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 05:56 PM

here is a pic.

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2016, 06:12 PM

Joe, for us to help you, you need lots of pictures, both sides, top, close ups and description. unit markings? serial? suffix? etc

there is a sticky in the new collectors area that tells you what we are looking for

It is likely a WW1 made in 1917 luger that was 1920 property marked...

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 06:15 PM

k, thanks, will do!

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 06:39 PM

more pics, more to come...

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 06:49 PM

more.

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 06:53 PM

and more...

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 07:11 PM

Ooops, the knife isn't what I thought it was, it's not the one referred to in the
document. Apparently it's Russian, taken from a NVA officer. Sorry for the confusion.

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 07:12 PM

Everything I can see seems to be stamped '27', which my first youtube education on lugers
says is a good/expected thing.

JoeDubya · 07-07-2016, 07:19 PM

And the lower back strap of the handle is grooved as if ready for a clamp-on shoulder stock.

rhuff · 07-07-2016, 07:34 PM

Others with more "smarts" will be along soon. What I see seems to be a 1917 DWM that was property marked with the 1920 code after WWl. The Luger was, apparently, in fairly sad condition, and has been buffed heavily and reblued sometime in the past...when, no idea. The grips are aftermarket. The mag appears to be original, but not matched to this Luger....not uncommon.

George Anderson · 07-07-2016, 08:17 PM

It may have been reworked at some point as the pistol started out life as an LP08 (artillery) model. The reworking/bluing may have been done at that time. The knife is a classic example of a large German Switchblade. I carried one quite similar to it when I lived in Germany.

JoeDubya · 07-08-2016, 10:17 PM

Let me know if y'all need any more info/pics to put a ballpark
value on this. I appreciate it, and will learn to maintain it, so
I can shoot it, unless it turns out to be safer/better to keep it
as-is...
Thanks,
Joe

lugerholsterrepair · 07-08-2016, 10:49 PM

Joe, Nice Luger..was likely poorly stored then re finished fairly well. Don't shoot the original mag. The wood bottoms, springs etc. are fragile. Get a MecGar Luger mag if you decide to shoot it. BUT, WW1 Lugers are fairly fragile. Extractors are at risk..ejectors. Quite a number of parts are in jeopardy. But it's now pretty much a $6-800 shooter anyway.

DonVoigt · 07-08-2016, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeDubya

And the lower back strap of the handle is grooved as if ready for a clamp-on shoulder stock.

Yes, it was made that way; but 4" lugers were not issued/used with stocks by the Germans.

US ATF rules make it illegal to attach a stock to this standard P08 type luger; makes it a "short barreled rifle" and subject registration and tax.

mrerick · 07-09-2016, 08:45 AM

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

Jerry has given you a good estimate for value, particularly if it will shoot and cycle properly.

Unfortunately, the refinishing and buffing has pretty much eliminated collector interest in this Luger.

Feel free to shoot it, as you can't materially hurt it's value even if a numbered part breaks and has to be replaced.

Marc

Ben M. · 07-09-2016, 10:14 AM

see erfurt proof on right side of trigger?

JoeDubya · 07-09-2016, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

see erfurt proof on right side of trigger?

There is a tiny stamp-mark on the uppermost part of the trigger
face on the right side.

07-07-2016, 05:43 PM	#1
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just came into this gun.... Hi all. Any info on this would help this newbee. The gun has 1920 and 1917 stamped on it... The paper lists it as captured enemy equipment. Ignore the knife in the pics. I thought it was part of the German property but it has nothing to do with the gun or the knife also listed in the doc. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by JoeDubya; 07-07-2016 at 07:21 PM.

07-07-2016, 05:56 PM	#4
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here is a pic. Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 06:12 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Joe, for us to help you, you need lots of pictures, both sides, top, close ups and description. unit markings? serial? suffix? etc there is a sticky in the new collectors area that tells you what we are looking for It is likely a WW1 made in 1917 luger that was 1920 property marked... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-07-2016, 06:39 PM	#7
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more pics, more to come... Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 06:49 PM	#8
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	more. Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 05:45 PM	#2
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Any maker marks on the knife?

07-07-2016, 05:54 PM	#3
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A little rooster-like thing on the upper edge of one of the black handles.

07-07-2016, 06:15 PM	#6
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	k, thanks, will do!

07-07-2016, 06:53 PM	#9
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and more... Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 07:11 PM	#10
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ooops, the knife isn't what I thought it was, it's not the one referred to in the document. Apparently it's Russian, taken from a NVA officer. Sorry for the confusion.

07-07-2016, 07:12 PM	#11
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Everything I can see seems to be stamped '27', which my first youtube education on lugers says is a good/expected thing.

07-07-2016, 07:19 PM	#12
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And the lower back strap of the handle is grooved as if ready for a clamp-on shoulder stock. Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2016, 07:34 PM	#13
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,272 Thanks: 2,692 Thanked 959 Times in 705 Posts	Others with more "smarts" will be along soon. What I see seems to be a 1917 DWM that was property marked with the 1920 code after WWl. The Luger was, apparently, in fairly sad condition, and has been buffed heavily and reblued sometime in the past...when, no idea. The grips are aftermarket. The mag appears to be original, but not matched to this Luger....not uncommon.

07-07-2016, 08:17 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	It may have been reworked at some point as the pistol started out life as an LP08 (artillery) model. The reworking/bluing may have been done at that time. The knife is a classic example of a large German Switchblade. I carried one quite similar to it when I lived in Germany.

07-08-2016, 10:17 PM	#15
JoeDubya User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Walnut Creek Ca Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Let me know if y'all need any more info/pics to put a ballpark value on this. I appreciate it, and will learn to maintain it, so I can shoot it, unless it turns out to be safer/better to keep it as-is... Thanks, Joe

07-08-2016, 10:49 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Joe, Nice Luger..was likely poorly stored then re finished fairly well. Don't shoot the original mag. The wood bottoms, springs etc. are fragile. Get a MecGar Luger mag if you decide to shoot it. BUT, WW1 Lugers are fairly fragile. Extractors are at risk..ejectors. Quite a number of parts are in jeopardy. But it's now pretty much a $6-800 shooter anyway. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-09-2016, 08:45 AM	#18
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi, and welcome to the forum. Jerry has given you a good estimate for value, particularly if it will shoot and cycle properly. Unfortunately, the refinishing and buffing has pretty much eliminated collector interest in this Luger. Feel free to shoot it, as you can't materially hurt it's value even if a numbered part breaks and has to be replaced. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-09-2016, 10:14 AM	#19
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 84 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	see erfurt proof on right side of trigger?