Rumours about FBI going back to 9 mm

Sergio Natali · 11-30-2014, 12:54 PM

I heard about FBI soon might go back to 9 Para, is it true?

I wonder what my Luger friends think about it.

It's probably driven by budget, 9m is cheaper than 40S&W or than 45ACP, still a .40S&W/.45ACP have more energy than the 9 Para.

I believe 9 Para is a great round surely with lots of advantages. but being a "fanatic" of the old 1911/.45 ACP as far as I'm concerned I think .45ACP it's probably the best combination of accuracy speed and power.

Sergio

mrerick · 11-30-2014, 07:32 PM

Some Internet postings on this:

http://concealednation.org/2014/10/f...heir-decision/

http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...l-caliber-war/

http://kitup.military.com/2014/07/ar...turns-9mm.html

Marc

alvin · 11-30-2014, 08:26 PM

Why.. .40S&W is well balanced. The penetration of .45ACP is poor, due to its low muzzle velocity. For unprotected target, it's effective, but it cannot penetrate regular Kevlar vest. Tokarev 7,62x25 penetration is great (actually, over penetration on unprotected target), but its stopping power is not great.

K.Wilhelm · 12-01-2014, 09:20 AM

After being a firm devotee of .45acp for many years, I came to the conclusion about 6 or 7 years ago that the .40S&W was the best compromise for personal defense. I have a Sig 229 in my nightstand and a Kahr with me when I go out- both are in .40. I think the 10mm is ideal, but in too big pistols for comfortable carry, and penetration is too much for self-defense. The .40 is as close as I can get without severe overpenetration, and it is in comfortable to carry sized pistols. Bill

11-30-2014, 12:54 PM	#1
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Rumours about FBI going back to 9 mm I heard about FBI soon might go back to 9 Para, is it true? I wonder what my Luger friends think about it. It's probably driven by budget, 9m is cheaper than 40S&W or than 45ACP, still a .40S&W/.45ACP have more energy than the 9 Para. I believe 9 Para is a great round surely with lots of advantages. but being a "fanatic" of the old 1911/.45 ACP as far as I'm concerned I think .45ACP it's probably the best combination of accuracy speed and power. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

11-30-2014, 07:32 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Some Internet postings on this: http://concealednation.org/2014/10/f...heir-decision/ http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...l-caliber-war/ http://kitup.military.com/2014/07/ar...turns-9mm.html Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-01-2014, 09:20 AM	#4
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	45acp vs 40S&W After being a firm devotee of .45acp for many years, I came to the conclusion about 6 or 7 years ago that the .40S&W was the best compromise for personal defense. I have a Sig 229 in my nightstand and a Kahr with me when I go out- both are in .40. I think the 10mm is ideal, but in too big pistols for comfortable carry, and penetration is too much for self-defense. The .40 is as close as I can get without severe overpenetration, and it is in comfortable to carry sized pistols. Bill __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

11-30-2014, 08:26 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Why.. .40S&W is well balanced. The penetration of .45ACP is poor, due to its low muzzle velocity. For unprotected target, it's effective, but it cannot penetrate regular Kevlar vest. Tokarev 7,62x25 penetration is great (actually, over penetration on unprotected target), but its stopping power is not great.