Why did the High Seas Fleet have such long barrels

siegersallee · 06-27-2014, 06:33 PM

Hi All,

Maybe a stupid question but, why did sailors feel they needed the longer barrel pistol?

Richard

Norme · 06-27-2014, 06:42 PM

Hi Richard, The need was for a short rifle to arm landing parties. However, since seamen needed their hands free to work the ship, the Imperial Navy came up with the P04 design with detachable stock, which could be worn on a shoulder strap.
Regards, Norm

siegersallee · 06-28-2014, 08:58 AM

Well, there you go...thanks Norm!

cirelaw · 06-30-2014, 08:00 PM

Hi Norm, I wondered, why were there 2 different barrel lenghs, 4' and 6' Were they luger shortened for some reason? Eric

Ron Wood · 07-01-2014, 12:04 AM

Eric,
Don't understand your question. Are you asking why are there 4" and 6" Navy Lugers or why are there 4" and 6" Lugers in general?

alanint · 07-01-2014, 11:18 AM

Didn't the treaty of Versaille limit barrel length and therefore many Navy Lugers were rebarreled to 4", but still kept their Navy markings?

cirelaw · 07-01-2014, 11:55 AM

Ron, I was asking why navy models were made with 2 different barrel lenghts? Were they modified for some reason? ~~Eric

John Sabato · 07-01-2014, 01:52 PM

Eric, this is pure speculation on my part, but I think the 4 inch barreled Navy Lugers were issued for personal protection of the person to whom it was issued, while the 6 inch barreled Lugers were for crew/ship protection at a distance, hence the shoulder stock as part of the kit.

cirelaw · 07-01-2014, 02:10 PM

John I think you nailed it. Its a rainy day in Florida so I will pull out the books! Just a guess, During the Weimer,They we reusing prior parts. Each part is matching and properge. This is a luger used in all 3 periods. It started out a 1914 Erfurt artillery then reworked in 1920 and again assigned to the Nazi North Sea Fleet. One luger 3 masters. It made it through complete! Jan has 2 other saples of the artillery conversions. both DWM! Rare to begin with! Darn good Guns!!

06-27-2014, 06:33 PM	#1
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Why did the High Seas Fleet have such long barrels Hi All, Maybe a stupid question but, why did sailors feel they needed the longer barrel pistol? Richard __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

06-28-2014, 08:58 AM	#3
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Well, there you go...thanks Norm! __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

07-01-2014, 12:04 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,091 Thanked 5,180 Times in 1,703 Posts	Eric, Don't understand your question. Are you asking why are there 4" and 6" Navy Lugers or why are there 4" and 6" Lugers in general? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-01-2014, 01:52 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Eric, this is pure speculation on my part, but I think the 4 inch barreled Navy Lugers were issued for personal protection of the person to whom it was issued, while the 6 inch barreled Lugers were for crew/ship protection at a distance, hence the shoulder stock as part of the kit. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,135 Times in 2,174 Posts	John I think you nailed it. Its a rainy day in Florida so I will pull out the books! Just a guess, During the Weimer,They we reusing prior parts. Each part is matching and properge. This is a luger used in all 3 periods. It started out a 1914 Erfurt artillery then reworked in 1920 and again assigned to the Nazi North Sea Fleet. One luger 3 masters. It made it through complete! Jan has 2 other saples of the artillery conversions. both DWM! Rare to begin with! Darn good Guns!! Attached Thumbnails

06-27-2014, 06:42 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,605 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Richard, The need was for a short rifle to arm landing parties. However, since seamen needed their hands free to work the ship, the Imperial Navy came up with the P04 design with detachable stock, which could be worn on a shoulder strap. Regards, Norm

06-30-2014, 08:00 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,135 Times in 2,174 Posts	Hi Norm, I wondered, why were there 2 different barrel lenghs, 4' and 6' Were they luger shortened for some reason? Eric

07-01-2014, 11:18 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Didn't the treaty of Versaille limit barrel length and therefore many Navy Lugers were rebarreled to 4", but still kept their Navy markings?

07-01-2014, 11:55 AM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,135 Times in 2,174 Posts	Ron, I was asking why navy models were made with 2 different barrel lenghts? Were they modified for some reason? ~~Eric