Proof Mark Identity

RoyalTermite · 05-06-2014, 07:44 AM

Can anyone tell me what this proof mark is?

Lugerdoc · 05-06-2014, 08:38 AM

Rather than being a PROOF, this is an Imperial inspector's marking, showing that the receiver had been inspected and met specs. What's missing are the overall inspector's marking and the test firing proof. TH

RoyalTermite · 05-06-2014, 09:51 AM

Thanks. It is different than the markings on my 1913 DWM. This is on a 1917 DWM. Forgive my ignorance, still new to alot of this. Why would the other marks and proofs not be on gun?

mrerick · 05-06-2014, 10:08 AM

There would normally be two Imperial German inspection marks and a proof Eagle on the receiver in this area. On the barrel there would be proof marks as well.

This one looks like it may have been plated and heavily buffed out.

Are you trying to engrave replacement marks on it?

sheepherder · 05-06-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

This one looks like it may have been plated and heavily buffed out.

Are you trying to engrave replacement marks on it?

That is quite well defined on such a heavily buffed receiver, isn't it...

RoyalTermite · 05-06-2014, 11:01 AM

I do not intend on engraving marks on it. I just bought it as a shooter. Was billed as "British" proof marks. I figured that to be totally incorrect. Plan on swapping out the grips. Although, as odd as they are, may just leave them on. Lol. When I get it in hand, I will post better pictures.

mrerick · 05-06-2014, 03:25 PM

If it ever spent any time in Britain, it will have very distinctive British proof marks on it, generally on the barrel. So far, I don't see any.

Marc

sheepherder · 05-06-2014, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTermite

Plan on swapping out the grips. Although, as odd as they are, may just leave them on...

Wow. Peanut shell grips. That is awesome, dude...

RoyalTermite · 05-06-2014, 04:47 PM

well, considering the gentleman that I am buying it from...

Ron Wood · 05-06-2014, 06:57 PM

I really appreciate the sense of humor of the folks on this forum, and I am quite impressed with the Photoshop skills some of you have!

jussi16 · 05-07-2014, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTermite

Can anyone tell me what this proof mark is?

Is that C/T? Then inspector was Herr Triebel.

alanint · 05-07-2014, 06:40 AM

A couple of observations:

I agree with Richard that it is odd for such a single, crisp and well defined proof to be on the gun in the abcense of any others.

If the grips are real antler, I can tell you that such well-figured bone has not been available for gun grips in many, many years. (Look at old cowboy serials and compare the beautiful grips on some Colt SAAs, versus what is on the market today). I would keep those on the gun!

Lugerdoc · 05-07-2014, 10:44 AM

Jussi, I don't know if you noticed the "rocker" under the C/T inspector's marking. This would indicate a second inspector whose last name began with a T, rather than the one without the underline (rocker). The grips shown, look like plastic to me. TH

RoyalTermite · 05-07-2014, 10:49 AM

The grips are supposed to be real stag horn. My dealer got it in today. I will be picking up on Sat. I will take some good pictures and post them up.

Edward Tinker · 05-07-2014, 12:45 PM

Are you going to the Allentown Forks of the Delaware show this weekend?

As a shooter, it should be a good one.

I like antler grips, buy them when I can - many are very thick.

RoyalTermite · 05-07-2014, 01:23 PM

If it rains, I'm going to try to go to the Allentown show. Have lots of pest control work scheduled for Sat. Rain means reschedule and a day off.

Went to the Oaks show a while back but no super deals on Lugers. Wound up buying a repro holster for the P38 and a very nice Austrian (German) M35 helmet.

DavidJayUden · 05-07-2014, 02:23 PM

I'll bet it was quite a sight seeing you driving down the road with that helmet on...
dju

Ben M. · 05-07-2014, 02:51 PM

the shape of the crown looks odd like a bit of a cartoon. any one else think that?

looks like this a bit:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EjPY9E0oIs...Bullwinkle.jpg

RoyalTermite · 05-07-2014, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I'll bet it was quite a sight seeing you driving down the road with that helmet on...
dju

You know, the temptation was too great. I did put it on several times on the way home. LOL. Did my best Sgt. Schultz ""I know nothiiing"

alanint · 05-07-2014, 07:15 PM

No offense, but that looks like a reproduction helmet. The roll of the edge, the general shape of the helmet and the color are all wrong for an M35.

05-06-2014, 07:44 AM	#1
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	Proof Mark Identity Can anyone tell me what this proof mark is? Attached Thumbnails

05-06-2014, 08:38 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Rather than being a PROOF, this is an Imperial inspector's marking, showing that the receiver had been inspected and met specs. What's missing are the overall inspector's marking and the test firing proof. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-06-2014, 10:08 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	There would normally be two Imperial German inspection marks and a proof Eagle on the receiver in this area. On the barrel there would be proof marks as well. This one looks like it may have been plated and heavily buffed out. Are you trying to engrave replacement marks on it? __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-06-2014, 11:01 AM	#6
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	I do not intend on engraving marks on it. I just bought it as a shooter. Was billed as "British" proof marks. I figured that to be totally incorrect. Plan on swapping out the grips. Although, as odd as they are, may just leave them on. Lol. When I get it in hand, I will post better pictures. Attached Thumbnails

05-06-2014, 03:25 PM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	If it ever spent any time in Britain, it will have very distinctive British proof marks on it, generally on the barrel. So far, I don't see any. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-06-2014, 09:51 AM	#3
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	Thanks. It is different than the markings on my 1913 DWM. This is on a 1917 DWM. Forgive my ignorance, still new to alot of this. Why would the other marks and proofs not be on gun?

05-06-2014, 04:47 PM	#9
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	well, considering the gentleman that I am buying it from... Attached Images

05-06-2014, 06:57 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I really appreciate the sense of humor of the folks on this forum, and I am quite impressed with the Photoshop skills some of you have! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-07-2014, 06:40 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	A couple of observations: I agree with Richard that it is odd for such a single, crisp and well defined proof to be on the gun in the abcense of any others. If the grips are real antler, I can tell you that such well-figured bone has not been available for gun grips in many, many years. (Look at old cowboy serials and compare the beautiful grips on some Colt SAAs, versus what is on the market today). I would keep those on the gun!

05-07-2014, 10:44 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Jussi, I don't know if you noticed the "rocker" under the C/T inspector's marking. This would indicate a second inspector whose last name began with a T, rather than the one without the underline (rocker). The grips shown, look like plastic to me. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-07-2014, 10:49 AM	#14
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	The grips are supposed to be real stag horn. My dealer got it in today. I will be picking up on Sat. I will take some good pictures and post them up.

05-07-2014, 12:45 PM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Are you going to the Allentown Forks of the Delaware show this weekend? As a shooter, it should be a good one. I like antler grips, buy them when I can - many are very thick. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-07-2014, 01:23 PM	#16
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 63 Thanks: 37 Thanked 56 Times in 19 Posts	If it rains, I'm going to try to go to the Allentown show. Have lots of pest control work scheduled for Sat. Rain means reschedule and a day off. Went to the Oaks show a while back but no super deals on Lugers. Wound up buying a repro holster for the P38 and a very nice Austrian (German) M35 helmet. Attached Thumbnails

05-07-2014, 02:23 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'll bet it was quite a sight seeing you driving down the road with that helmet on... dju

05-07-2014, 02:51 PM	#18
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 84 Thanked 117 Times in 79 Posts	the shape of the crown looks odd like a bit of a cartoon. any one else think that? looks like this a bit: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EjPY9E0oIs...Bullwinkle.jpg Last edited by Ben M.; 05-09-2014 at 11:02 AM.

05-07-2014, 07:15 PM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	No offense, but that looks like a reproduction helmet. The roll of the edge, the general shape of the helmet and the color are all wrong for an M35.