Rare 1917 Erfurt Totenkopf Luger

Pistole+Parabellum · 03-30-2014, 12:49 PM

here's a "rare" one for your Luger "others" category!!

Pistole+Parabellum · 03-30-2014, 12:51 PM

it's my understanding that these Totenkopf stamped lugers don't exist??!! is this assumption or assertion correct gentlemen?

Pistole+Parabellum · 03-30-2014, 12:53 PM

not much description by the seller...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=403500374

Pistole+Parabellum · 03-30-2014, 12:54 PM

i would love to see one if they exist

Cody

Pistole+Parabellum · 03-30-2014, 12:58 PM

...although someone felt this 1939 42 CODE LUGER did exist and worth the over $6K they paid for it at the last Julia auction

lugerholsterrepair · 03-30-2014, 05:01 PM

.although someone felt this 1939 42 CODE LUGER did exist and worth the over $6K they paid for it at the last Julia auction..Funny stuff!

DavidJayUden · 03-30-2014, 05:52 PM

I didn't realize that there was any doubt as to their existance, but it is the "who, what, when, where, and why" that remains a mystery.
If I have missed the answer to this enigma, please do tell...
dju

ithacaartist · 03-31-2014, 09:03 AM

If anyone else has images of the TK stamp, please post--for my collection of pics of these markings.

John Sabato · 03-31-2014, 09:17 AM

David, unless you are writing a book about these TK stamps, I suggest you open your own thread with your request, and post the images you already have. I am sure it will be a sticky post in no time.

sheepherder · 03-31-2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

If anyone else has images of the TK stamp, please post--for my collection of pics of these markings.

Pete Ebbink posted quite a few TK pics on Still's site not too long ago...The thread is still on the first page of whatever sub-forum it was on...

Here ya go -

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-receiver-EBAY

The pic in Datig's book is still the most realistic/authentic IMO...

cirelaw · 03-31-2014, 12:48 PM

Latest listing~ http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=405533004

Vlim · 03-31-2014, 01:34 PM

They are a fantasy item, created by a European gun smith with a sense of humor, who saw it as a good way to add some mystique to some, otherwise ordinary, and at the time, cheap guns for export to the USA.

Opinions vary, of course, and everyone is entitled to his own. This story was researched by a couple of German journalists, who managed to trace and speak to the man who marked them many years ago while he was working as a gun smith's assistant. Unfortunately for us, the man's credentials were not reveiled and we only have his anonymous testimonial.

DavidJayUden · 03-31-2014, 02:34 PM

I can't think of any other subject matter that fires up Luger bugs like the Totenkopf...
dju

Vlim · 03-31-2014, 03:05 PM

The Russian/Bulgarian Totenkopf version

sheepherder · 03-31-2014, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

The Russian/Bulgarian Totenkopf version

Ah, the 'Deaths Head and Crossed Rifles' Lugers...

sheepherder · 03-31-2014, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

They are a fantasy item, created by a European gun smith with a sense of humor, who saw it as a good way to add some mystique to some, otherwise ordinary, and at the time, cheap guns for export to the USA.

Unfortunately, he is 'documented' as doing this in the '60's...Datig has photos of a Totenkopf Luger taken prior to 1955...

Most of the pics in Pete Ebbinks post are so cartoonish as to be ridiculous...But Datig's TK pic looks...Ominous...

Portent of things to come??? Or a reminder of the unpleasantness that was??? Only the dead know...

Vlim · 04-01-2014, 01:19 PM

Datig was probably there when they made them. He must have had a good laugh also...

cirelaw · 04-01-2014, 01:56 PM

Right in his book 50 yers ago!!

danielsand · 04-01-2014, 02:39 PM

I've read EVERYTHING written on the TDH marked weapons. I THINK they are not real (the stamps), but I'd still like to have one. "Real" or not, still a hell of a conversation piece.

03-30-2014, 12:49 PM	#1
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Rare 1917 Erfurt Totenkopf Luger here's a "rare" one for your Luger "others" category!! Attached Thumbnails

03-30-2014, 12:51 PM	#2
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	it's my understanding that these Totenkopf stamped lugers don't exist??!! is this assumption or assertion correct gentlemen? Attached Thumbnails

03-30-2014, 12:53 PM	#3
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	not much description by the seller... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=403500374 Attached Thumbnails

03-30-2014, 12:54 PM	#4
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	i would love to see one if they exist Cody Attached Thumbnails

03-30-2014, 12:58 PM	#5
Pistole+Parabellum User Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 59 Thanks: 236 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	...although someone felt this 1939 42 CODE LUGER did exist and worth the over $6K they paid for it at the last Julia auction Attached Images

03-30-2014, 05:01 PM	#6
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03-30-2014, 05:52 PM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I didn't realize that there was any doubt as to their existance, but it is the "who, what, when, where, and why" that remains a mystery. If I have missed the answer to this enigma, please do tell... dju

03-31-2014, 09:03 AM	#8
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,370 Thanks: 7,436 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,378 Posts	If anyone else has images of the TK stamp, please post--for my collection of pics of these markings. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

03-31-2014, 09:17 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	David, unless you are writing a book about these TK stamps, I suggest you open your own thread with your request, and post the images you already have. I am sure it will be a sticky post in no time. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-31-2014, 12:48 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Latest listing~ http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=405533004

03-31-2014, 01:34 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	They are a fantasy item, created by a European gun smith with a sense of humor, who saw it as a good way to add some mystique to some, otherwise ordinary, and at the time, cheap guns for export to the USA. Opinions vary, of course, and everyone is entitled to his own. This story was researched by a couple of German journalists, who managed to trace and speak to the man who marked them many years ago while he was working as a gun smith's assistant. Unfortunately for us, the man's credentials were not reveiled and we only have his anonymous testimonial.

03-31-2014, 02:34 PM	#13
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I can't think of any other subject matter that fires up Luger bugs like the Totenkopf... dju

03-31-2014, 03:05 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The Russian/Bulgarian Totenkopf version

04-01-2014, 01:19 PM	#17
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Datig was probably there when they made them. He must have had a good laugh also...

04-01-2014, 01:56 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Lets Ask Freddie !! Right in his book 50 yers ago!! Attached Thumbnails

04-01-2014, 02:39 PM	#19
danielsand User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: SoCal Posts: 137 Thanks: 52 Thanked 100 Times in 43 Posts	I've read EVERYTHING written on the TDH marked weapons. I THINK they are not real (the stamps), but I'd still like to have one. "Real" or not, still a hell of a conversation piece.