Broomhandle and BB's

[Terry Tiell]

Found this while looking for a deal on the real thing, ordering it next Friday and I thought some here may like it as well. True the magazine is incorrect but for under $100 it looks like it may be worth adding to the collection. I have a bid in on a couple real ones but the bidding is still low but my fingers are crossed!

Anyway enjoy.
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Legend...BB_Pistol/3286

[sheepherder]

That's pretty cool! The ad says the magazine only holds 19 BBs...Is that where the CO2 cartridge is too???

[Terry Tiell]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

That's pretty cool! The ad says the magazine only holds 19 BBs...Is that where the CO2 cartridge is too???

Yup! I have several of these "life like" guns and the semi-automatic ones put the CO2 in the magazine along with the BB's. The gun's look like and have blowback just like my "real" versions do.

Here in the people's republic of Maryland where all guns are evil baby killing horrors I've found it easier and MUCH cheaper to use my replica guns for target practice while their real counterparts stay safely put away from the prying eyes of the police goon squads. Even better I can go out into my yard, bring out a table, set up some targets and shoot all afternoon even as the police drive back and forth on my street and its perfectly legal!

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Terry Tiell

Even better I can go out into my yard, bring out a table, set up some targets and shoot all afternoon even as the police drive back and forth on my street and its perfectly legal!

Hi Terry,

I hope this gives at least some satisfaction, in light of the debacle.

BTW, P.08 fans are not left out, when it comes to these BB shooters: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Legend...O2_Pistol/3151 Also, check out the related YouTube video, which demonstrates cosmetic aging, albeit with a painted finish. I used to use similar techniques aging rolling stock and track-side features of my HO layout, way,WAY back.

[Arizona Slim]

I noticed that that same air pistol is available at The Sportsman's Guide for $71.99 for members and $79.99 for non members, don't know what it takes to be a member but I imagine just signing on to receive periodic info. Their website is: www.sportsmansguide.com, item# is: A4A-578392. They also feature a very realistic looking Luger P08 air pistol, item#: A4A-283386 for $58.49 and $64.99 non-members price. These prices are in effect until Feb.28. I see that David's price on the p08 is even better than Sportsman's Guide's.

Lon

[Terry Tiell]

I already own that one after I saw it here a few months ago. Its not bad for the price I just wish the toggle worked like the real one. BTW I may have lost my grandfathers but I do have 2 more now but they don't come out and play again cause I'm afraid of the goon squad coming back.

We got back everything but my grandfathers Luger. That gun taught me SO many things! Not only about the Luger and getting me into working on guns but about the laws in this horrible state.

[Terry Tiell]

Slim, thanks for the heads up on where to get it for less! Guess I'll order it today!

[sheepherder]

Sportsman's Guide Buyer's Club basic membership is $29.99/year. The BB guns have a long list of 'restricted shipping' caveats with their ads. For some unknown reason, i get their catalog. Don't know why - maybe i bought cargo shorts from them or something...Oh! I see what it was - The wood furniture for my AK came from them...

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by Terry Tiell

...but for under $100 it looks like it may be worth adding to the collection...
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Legend...BB_Pistol/3286

Hmmm, I had this laying around and forgot to post it. From American Rifleman magazine sometime in the last two years...

Price seems to have gone up quite a bit...

[alvin]

It's some fun. Unfortunately, my spouse does not allow me to shoot airgun in basement. I had an air-soft PPK in the past.

Looks like this type of pistol is gaining some popularity in the US now... one tell sign is mainstream supplier Brownells Inc. posted cleaning and lubrication video on youtube.com recently. There must be many players nowadays...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcvfePlG-cs

[alvin]

I am searching words "prewar bolo mauser" on yahoo.com (I collect some gun pictures), and found this picture posted by a Colorado dealer. Initially, I thought it's an air-soft from yahoo's thumb picture, but looking at details,,,, wait,,, no, it is a genuine one. Some of these guns are very well preserved in America.

http://www.ponyexpressfirearms.com/p...mfg-1910-used/

[Sergio Natali]

Prewar Bolo Mauser?

I've always tought that Bolo implied mainly "postwar" production made between about 1920 - 1930

[alvin]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Prewar Bolo Mauser?

I've always tought that Bolo implied mainly "postwar" production made between about 1920 - 1930

Yes. Most of them were made after the Great War.

In prewar years, Mauser also thought about police market. Small amount of Bolos were made to test that market. Collectors call those "prewar Bolo". Obviously not very successful, because not many were made in that configuration in prewar era.

But Model 1922 Bolo flourished in postwar era.

[tomaustin]

I just ordered one each, single and full-auto......should have them next week.....already have the blow back luger version....these really are a fun addition...........tom

[CAP Black]

Full auto in Texas??
That is interesting!!!!!
Thanks
Jack

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by alvin

Yes. Most of them were made after the Great War.

In prewar years, Mauser also thought about police market. Small amount of Bolos were made to test that market. Collectors call those "prewar Bolo". Obviously not very successful, because not many were made in that configuration in prewar era.

But Model 1922 Bolo flourished in postwar era.

Yes I now that if Im not wrong about 345K of them were manufactured.
Here they are probably the most common broomhandles, although very very few people collect C96.

[alvin]

Postwar Bolo started from 430K, ended around 730K, about 300K made. Prewar Bolo was scattered, but all with 4 rifling lines under 100K serial, fewer of those existed today than conehammers, production volume was probably lower than 10,000.

Relatively fewer people collect C96s here in the US too. Historically, US was not a big C96 country. According to Stoeger's estimation in 1930s, only a few thousand fixed magazine-well C96s were there (that implies many C96s were imported after WWII). Most American learned there was such a gun from 1970's movie "Star War". However, the supply volume of nice C96s is not big, so the supply and demand is still balanced.

I sold more than 30 of these in the past (including a few Bolos). I mean, collector grade C96s, not counting those poor ones that I collected in my early C&R years. Never had a problem. And never had any return back request to me. .... Weirdly, I've not seen any of those re-appear on market later.. at least, not yet. They simply varnished into black hole. If they do appear, there are a few that I'd like to buy back

If you cannot find a market in Italy, you may want to consign them to Julia Auction in the US.. Sturgess did that. He had quite a few nice C96, both common and rare variations... the price... I don't know, I could not afford his rare ones. I can afford his common ones, but I don't need those common ones. So, I only bought one from his collection -- a Taku Large Ring, cost me $1500. Matching working gun, relatively scarce, so I am still happy. However, all those rare ones sold, those 20-shots, engraved ones, carbines, 6-shots, cased conehammers, etc, all sold. Obviously, there is a market of it in the US. So, export them to the US for selling.

[Sergio Natali]

Alvin

The market here is small but not only for "bromhandles" obviously for "broomhandles" is smaller still. Maybe it's related to the economic crisis, maybe partially due to an endemic lack of deep knowledge, since many seasoned collectors seem to "collect"without the necessary info about what they're collecting.

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by tomaustin

I just ordered one each, single and full-auto......should have them next week.....already have the blow back luger version....these really are a fun addition...........tom

Be sure and give us the straight "skinny" on these Brooms once you have time to give them a tryout. I enjoy my blowback luger, but a full auto Broom seems like something that I might really "need"!!

[alvin]

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvin

The market here is small but not only for "bromhandles" obviously for "broomhandles" is smaller still. Maybe it's related to the economic crisis, maybe partially due to an endemic lack of deep knowledge, since many seasoned collectors seem to "collect"without the necessary info about what they're collecting.

I am curious on what type of information most people would need 99% of C96s appear on market don't present much myth. 1% has some myth, but most of those are one-of-a-kind guns. They are out of reach of many collectors anyway. If saying most collectors are chasing those, I doubt that.

Historically, people paid high price on some one-of-a-kind C96. Like "M1930 with scope mounting" (RIAC), "Gold Gilt Shansei" (Centurion), "All-in-white enlarged Carbine" (Julia) etc etc. Probably in future, there will be more. Those cost big money. Most people don't want to touch those, definitely not for regular collectors. Not saying they're wrong, but they're too unique.

And, this domain does not have "an extra stamp means 300% higher price" (except certain factory stamps). That kills an important faking direction. No financial driver. To convert a common gun to a rare one?? definitely possible, but not easy. And, probably due to lack of many nice base guns to convert, some people are working hard on converting poor guns, but most of them doing that are for fun, not for cheating,,, anyway, even a few want to cheat, the guns are easy to tell. Relatively speaking, the domain is still clean. Of course, there are refurbished guns listed as original, forced matching, etc. Those are more general issues in almost all C&R domains, not one type of gun specific.