byf Toggle Chamfers

sheepherder · 09-25-2012, 06:01 PM

...or bevels...whatever...

I bought this receiver/toggle train from a respected (and feared) forum member a year or so ago, intending to mount a 4 3/4" 9mm Tikkakoski barrel on it...I finally got around to it Sunday...Barrel is all mounted and timed and headspaced...

...But as I was doing this, I was reminded of some of the discussion surrounding friendlyfred's Spandau Luger toggle...

Look at these chamfers/bevels [whatever] on this byf toggle...Have you ever seen such extended chamfers??? The toggle looks positively skinny...

And the bevels/chamfers are rounded, not a 45º bevel/chamfer...

It doesn't look altered...

...Just...weird...

Comments???

G.T. · 09-25-2012, 06:10 PM

I like it! I've seen it on a lot of byf parts... Any reduction of sharp edges in that area is a definite improvement... next should have been the frame ears when looking from a top view, it is evident ....

... still room for improvement... but back then, probably not cost effective... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

lugerholsterrepair · 09-25-2012, 07:39 PM

Rich..I have to say..that's a radical radius! Lots of things to notice on Luger's isn't there?

sheepherder · 09-25-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Rich..I have to say..that's a radical radius! Lots of things to notice on Luger's isn't there?

I'm looking at the Blueprint CD, the pic/print of Das Vordergelenk, and while there is a vague curve where this bevel/chamfer is, there are *no* dimensions...

The Infanterie-Konstruktionsbureau does not give a spec for this??? The individual manufacturers were allowed to come up with a method/dimensions by themselves???

And why would Mauser, in the last year of Luger production, put this radical a bevel/chamfer on the middle toggle??? Some toggles shown in this forum (but not byf 42's) have almost flat middle toggles...

We really need that time machine...I need to stop by Ludwig Loewe's and pick up a C93...

mrerick · 09-25-2012, 08:20 PM

Rich, my "42" date military proofed Banner Mauser has a similar toggle bevel:

Marc

G.T. · 09-25-2012, 08:27 PM

WoW!!!! That's a beautiful unit!!.... It really has a beauty all it's own... my cut of meat, so to speak...I'd have to eat a lot of canned spam to afford/get to that point...

.... But, I love the late Mausers all the same... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

sheepherder · 09-25-2012, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Rich, my "42" date military proofed Banner Mauser has a similar toggle bevel:

Marc

Marc, both your banner Mauser 42 and my byf Mauser 42 have the same bevel/chamfer...Why do they have different toggle markings??? By 1942, there wasn't much sense in trying to disguise manufacturers...Why bother putting byf on toggles???

For that matter, why bother with a banner???

mrerick · 09-25-2012, 08:58 PM

My pistol is a rather unusual one. It's been discussed here (s/n 715g search).

Best guess is that is was assembled from available parts, perhaps immediately post war. It has all correct markings; is essentially new and unused and was completely blued over at some point, but doesn't appear to be a re-blue. It's edges are too sharp to have been done multiple times. It could have been done to make dissimilar parts look more uniform.

It has a broken trigger plate trigger lever pin that is completely blued as well.

I bought it at shooter prices, so don't have any reason to push it's collect-ability. That said, it is the most pristine Mauser I own.

In 1942, concealment probably still mattered (remember that they continued changing codes until the end - Mauser's change to "svw" in 1945 on P.38 pistols, for example). After the war, things wouldn't have mattered.

Seeing the deep rounded bevel on your "42" byf tends to confirm the timeframe my Mauser banner toggle was made. Thank you!!!

Marc

rhuff · 09-26-2012, 04:16 PM

Marc,

That is a beautiful Luger!! It looks as though it just left the Mauser factory. I would love to find one that nice.....that I could afford!!

09-25-2012, 06:01 PM	#1
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	byf Toggle Chamfers ...or bevels...whatever... I bought this receiver/toggle train from a respected (and feared) forum member a year or so ago, intending to mount a 4 3/4" 9mm Tikkakoski barrel on it...I finally got around to it Sunday...Barrel is all mounted and timed and headspaced... ...But as I was doing this, I was reminded of some of the discussion surrounding friendlyfred's Spandau Luger toggle... Look at these chamfers/bevels [whatever] on this byf toggle...Have you ever seen such extended chamfers??? The toggle looks positively skinny... And the bevels/chamfers are rounded, not a 45º bevel/chamfer... It doesn't look altered... ...Just...weird... Comments??? Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

09-25-2012, 06:10 PM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,503 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,641 Times in 1,002 Posts	Long overdue! I like it! I've seen it on a lot of byf parts... Any reduction of sharp edges in that area is a definite improvement... next should have been the frame ears when looking from a top view, it is evident .... ... still room for improvement... but back then, probably not cost effective... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

09-25-2012, 07:39 PM	#3
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09-25-2012, 08:20 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	Rich, my "42" date military proofed Banner Mauser has a similar toggle bevel: Marc Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-25-2012, 08:27 PM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,503 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,641 Times in 1,002 Posts	banner... WoW!!!! That's a beautiful unit!!.... It really has a beauty all it's own... my cut of meat, so to speak...I'd have to eat a lot of canned spam to afford/get to that point... .... But, I love the late Mausers all the same... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

09-25-2012, 08:58 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,907 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,108 Times in 1,509 Posts	My pistol is a rather unusual one. It's been discussed here (s/n 715g search). Best guess is that is was assembled from available parts, perhaps immediately post war. It has all correct markings; is essentially new and unused and was completely blued over at some point, but doesn't appear to be a re-blue. It's edges are too sharp to have been done multiple times. It could have been done to make dissimilar parts look more uniform. It has a broken trigger plate trigger lever pin that is completely blued as well. I bought it at shooter prices, so don't have any reason to push it's collect-ability. That said, it is the most pristine Mauser I own. In 1942, concealment probably still mattered (remember that they continued changing codes until the end - Mauser's change to "svw" in 1945 on P.38 pistols, for example). After the war, things wouldn't have mattered. Seeing the deep rounded bevel on your "42" byf tends to confirm the timeframe my Mauser banner toggle was made. Thank you!!! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-26-2012, 04:16 PM	#9
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,289 Thanks: 2,704 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	Marc, That is a beautiful Luger!! It looks as though it just left the Mauser factory. I would love to find one that nice.....that I could afford!!