1910 parabellum ..... proofing, acceptance and serialnumbering

wolfganggo · 09-10-2012, 06:44 AM

a few days ago i presentet my 1910er parabellum.
closer examination brought me to some questiones, maybe the forum-members can help, or may have this point discussed in the past.

my gun is serial 9720c, according to görtz/sturgess (Pistol parabellum) this is well after the point the "stempelvorschrift 1910" was anounced.
the camber is dated, also the proofs are on the right receiver side. this males me certain, that the boys at berlin (DWM) know and (partly) follow the new rule.

but why are the serials still in commercial style ?????
the "stempelvorschrift 1910" tells us other places for the stamps ??????

anyone who can help ????

is this an miracle for the next 1000 years.
can this be related to changes in the "stempelvorschrift 1910"
does anyone has an chronology of changes/ammendments (deckblätter)

regards from austria, wolfganggo ....

Ron Wood · 09-10-2012, 09:56 AM

The military style of serial numbering didn't start until the government arsenal at Erfurt went into production in 1911. Then both Erfurt and DWM marked their military Lugers with exposed serial numbers.

wolfganggo · 09-10-2012, 10:05 AM

Ron, do you know, was there a change in the "stempelvorschrift", or is any other reason known for this fact.

wolfganggo ....

klaus 3338 · 09-11-2012, 02:13 AM

The “Stempelvorschrift” was more for the Erfurt Lugers than for the DWM Lugers. The German government has a contract with the private gun maker DWM which regulated all the important point of factoring and acceptance. That is for example one of the reasons that all parts of Erfurt Lugers have an acceptance marks on "all" parts but DWM not.

09-10-2012, 06:44 AM	#1
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	1910 parabellum ..... proofing, acceptance and serialnumbering a few days ago i presentet my 1910er parabellum. closer examination brought me to some questiones, maybe the forum-members can help, or may have this point discussed in the past. my gun is serial 9720c, according to görtz/sturgess (Pistol parabellum) this is well after the point the "stempelvorschrift 1910" was anounced. the camber is dated, also the proofs are on the right receiver side. this males me certain, that the boys at berlin (DWM) know and (partly) follow the new rule. but why are the serials still in commercial style ????? the "stempelvorschrift 1910" tells us other places for the stamps ?????? anyone who can help ???? is this an miracle for the next 1000 years. can this be related to changes in the "stempelvorschrift 1910" does anyone has an chronology of changes/ammendments (deckblätter) regards from austria, wolfganggo ....

09-10-2012, 09:56 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	The military style of serial numbering didn't start until the government arsenal at Erfurt went into production in 1911. Then both Erfurt and DWM marked their military Lugers with exposed serial numbers. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-10-2012, 10:05 AM	#3
wolfganggo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: near vienna Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 18 Posts	interesting Ron, do you know, was there a change in the "stempelvorschrift", or is any other reason known for this fact. wolfganggo ....

09-11-2012, 02:13 AM	#4
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	The “Stempelvorschrift” was more for the Erfurt Lugers than for the DWM Lugers. The German government has a contract with the private gun maker DWM which regulated all the important point of factoring and acceptance. That is for example one of the reasons that all parts of Erfurt Lugers have an acceptance marks on "all" parts but DWM not.