German army dresscode - revisited

Vlim · 02-04-2012, 10:27 AM

This photo of some stylishly dressed Germans, two of them showing their P08 pistols, is one I acquired recently.

It neatly fits into a series of photos showing that wearing uniforms was not a daily habit in those days

wlyon · 02-04-2012, 11:01 AM

Vlim
Neat pictures. Thanks for sharing. Bill

CavScoutEurope · 02-04-2012, 11:20 AM

I think that they are "off duty" in these photos. Us American soldiers would do the same thing in, well any war really. I remember when I was young and dumb in Iraq me and boys would be standing around our trucks and just taking macho photos in and out of uniform. I also Have some photos that I captured from some Iraqi soldiers that I will post on here.

Vlim · 02-04-2012, 11:36 AM

Hi,

The top photos were actually taken during the 1930s. After Hitler came to power the compulsory military service was reintroduced. Part of the 'tradition' was to take some entertaining photos to show the homefront that the army was all harmless fun (until they invaded Poland, anyway). So part propaganda, part reassurance of the spouse.

I also have some photos of my military service days on which we pose in a less than professional manner

As you can see I had mastered the use of the Uzi completely. Damn, we were young back then

CavScoutEurope · 02-04-2012, 12:06 PM

wow! I wish I had been issued an Uzi!!! It would have worked a lot better in the slums of Baghdad than my M-16A2!!

Vlim · 02-04-2012, 04:00 PM

We were issued the Uzi because of our work as radio/telex operatiors / drivers. So they issued something more compact. These were built under licence by FN in Liege.

MikeP · 02-05-2012, 01:42 PM

All GIs do things like this.
Modern guys have made some decent Youtube vids in this vein.

MPGunther · 02-05-2012, 02:30 PM

GREAT pics guys

the gunman · 02-07-2012, 04:53 PM

Nice shots Vlim love those uzi's

sheepherder · 02-07-2012, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

We were issued the Uzi because of our work as radio/telex operatiors / drivers. So they issued something more compact. These were built under licence by FN in Liege.

Gerben -

Since it's your thread, and you brought it up, (and since off-topic posts are my trademark

), are the "German" Uzi parts kits being sold by Numrich & Sarco made by FN???

I built up a semi-auto Uzi using a sarco 'kit'; it came with a new unused "German" grip assembly, with the marking D - E- S for the selector switch...

Does this look like an FN grip???

nukem556 · 02-07-2012, 10:01 PM

odd....looks like bakelite on the grips....I've only seen black plastic/nylon before . I've got a full-auto Vector Uzi made from a new condition South African kit.....grips are very smooth plastic.

alanint · 02-07-2012, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

Gerben -

Since it's your thread, and you brought it up, (and since off-topic posts are my trademark

), are the "German" Uzi parts kits being sold by Numrich & Sarco made by FN???

I built up a semi-auto Uzi using a sarco 'kit'; it came with a new unused "German" grip assembly, with the marking D - E- S for the selector switch...

Does this look like an FN grip???

Later kits may be FN, but my recollection is that the German's agreed to purchase IMI Israeli made UZI's as "war reparations" during the first production runs shortly after the war.

Vlim · 02-08-2012, 06:04 AM

Several batches of Dutch FN Uzi's were sold to German dealers, so nothing is impossible. I'm not sure whether the Dutch army still has them in stock. I'll ask around over here

sheepherder · 02-08-2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Later kits may be FN, but my recollection is that the German's agreed to purchase IMI Israeli made UZI's as "war reparations" during the first production runs shortly after the war.

Several vendors offer either the D - E - S grip assemblies or [used] IMI [Hebrew letters] assemblies...I have a spare which is also D - E - S and unused...Some parts look brand new/unused (barrel, bolt); others show signs of wear (top cover)...

Both of mine have the mottled left grip and a shiny black right grip...

BTW: The IMI parts are *very* used...(They include a sawed-up receiver with the 'kits')...

That pic with the soldier holding the Uzi to his head - Is that you, Gerben???

Vlim · 02-08-2012, 01:30 PM

I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't proof anything

sheepherder · 02-08-2012, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't proof anything

...

...

Question: If that is indeed your old Dutch unit, why are all the beret insignias different???

Vlim · 02-08-2012, 06:20 PM

Good eye!

These were taken at the driving school. We first got 2 months of basic military training and had to get our truck driving license within these 2 months. Then we went on to other training facilities or to our detachments. I spent a further 3 months training as a telex / radio operator before going to my final unit. My other 'toy' was a similar truck with a radio shelter which consisted of an AM radio transmitter, a diesel aggregate, a radio cabin with AM/FM radio's and a telex machine, and some other goodies.

sheepherder · 02-08-2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Good eye!

These were taken at the driving school. We first got 2 months of basic military training and had to get our truck driving license within these 2 months...

That is very familiar...I went through 10 weeks of Basic Training and an additional four weeks of Infantry Training before being assigned to Schools Battalion for another 10 weeks training as a truck mechanic...but to work on them, you had to be licensed...so the first week was spent getting our gov't drivers licenses on "deuce & a half's" and M151 "Jeeps"...It was amazing what a 10-wheel-drive truck could do...

RAY1946 · 02-11-2012, 09:52 AM

I had an opportunity to shoot an Uzi at the October 04' machine-gun shoot at Knob Creek in Kentucky. That gun is a real hoot to shoot. Real easy to control on full-auto.

I tried to shoot 3 or 4 rnd bursts and it stayed on target extremely well. I was shooting at a 5-gallon paint pail at about 40 yds. I was truley amazed at the lack of climb when rolling along on full-auto. I think this has to be attributed to the unique design of the stock and overall balance of the gun. Its a really fun gun...........................

Vlim · 02-11-2012, 11:08 AM

We only got to shoot them full auto using blanks, and a specially designed blank firing adapter which was placed over the muzzle. It restricted the gas escape so that the uzi would cycle using 9x19 training blanks. They were actually pretty accurate at 100 yards, single shot, with the stock fully extracted (folded backwards).

02-04-2012, 10:27 AM	#1
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	German army dresscode - revisited This photo of some stylishly dressed Germans, two of them showing their P08 pistols, is one I acquired recently. It neatly fits into a series of photos showing that wearing uniforms was not a daily habit in those days Attached Thumbnails

02-04-2012, 11:01 AM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,629 Thanks: 3,168 Thanked 2,552 Times in 952 Posts	Vlim Neat pictures. Thanks for sharing. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

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CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	off duty photos. a little off topic but not too far. I think that they are "off duty" in these photos. Us American soldiers would do the same thing in, well any war really. I remember when I was young and dumb in Iraq me and boys would be standing around our trucks and just taking macho photos in and out of uniform. I also Have some photos that I captured from some Iraqi soldiers that I will post on here. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

02-04-2012, 11:36 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The top photos were actually taken during the 1930s. After Hitler came to power the compulsory military service was reintroduced. Part of the 'tradition' was to take some entertaining photos to show the homefront that the army was all harmless fun (until they invaded Poland, anyway). So part propaganda, part reassurance of the spouse. I also have some photos of my military service days on which we pose in a less than professional manner As you can see I had mastered the use of the Uzi completely. Damn, we were young back then Attached Thumbnails

02-04-2012, 12:06 PM	#5
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	wow! I wish I had been issued an Uzi!!! It would have worked a lot better in the slums of Baghdad than my M-16A2!!

02-04-2012, 04:00 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	We were issued the Uzi because of our work as radio/telex operatiors / drivers. So they issued something more compact. These were built under licence by FN in Liege.

02-05-2012, 01:42 PM	#7
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	All GIs do things like this. Modern guys have made some decent Youtube vids in this vein.

02-05-2012, 02:30 PM	#8
MPGunther User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 7 Thanks: 19 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	GREAT pics guys

02-07-2012, 04:53 PM	#9
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Nice shots Vlim love those uzi's

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nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	odd....looks like bakelite on the grips....I've only seen black plastic/nylon before . I've got a full-auto Vector Uzi made from a new condition South African kit.....grips are very smooth plastic.

02-08-2012, 06:04 AM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Several batches of Dutch FN Uzi's were sold to German dealers, so nothing is impossible. I'm not sure whether the Dutch army still has them in stock. I'll ask around over here

02-08-2012, 01:30 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't proof anything

02-08-2012, 06:20 PM	#17
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Good eye! These were taken at the driving school. We first got 2 months of basic military training and had to get our truck driving license within these 2 months. Then we went on to other training facilities or to our detachments. I spent a further 3 months training as a telex / radio operator before going to my final unit. My other 'toy' was a similar truck with a radio shelter which consisted of an AM radio transmitter, a diesel aggregate, a radio cabin with AM/FM radio's and a telex machine, and some other goodies.

02-11-2012, 09:52 AM	#19
RAY1946 User Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 77 Thanks: 178 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	I had an opportunity to shoot an Uzi at the October 04' machine-gun shoot at Knob Creek in Kentucky. That gun is a real hoot to shoot. Real easy to control on full-auto. I tried to shoot 3 or 4 rnd bursts and it stayed on target extremely well. I was shooting at a 5-gallon paint pail at about 40 yds. I was truley amazed at the lack of climb when rolling along on full-auto. I think this has to be attributed to the unique design of the stock and overall balance of the gun. Its a really fun gun...........................

02-11-2012, 11:08 AM	#20
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	We only got to shoot them full auto using blanks, and a specially designed blank firing adapter which was placed over the muzzle. It restricted the gas escape so that the uzi would cycle using 9x19 training blanks. They were actually pretty accurate at 100 yards, single shot, with the stock fully extracted (folded backwards).