epf42 luger holster

dgp42 · 01-23-2002, 07:14 PM

I cannot find reference to this makers mark epf42 w/eagle over WaA280 P-08 any info appreciated.

Lonnie Zimmerman · 01-23-2002, 07:30 PM

Is it eqf? Karl Bocker, Lederwarenfabrik, Waldbrol/Rheinland.

dgp42 · 01-23-2002, 07:36 PM

I checked Still's 3rd Reich Lugers and had the same question as you about eqf42. Am communicating by email about this holster and am assured it's e-p-f . any help appreciated

Aaron · 01-23-2002, 08:18 PM

I also have an epf holster dated 1941, and cannot find what maker it represents. However, it is listed in World of Lugers by Constanzo, but he says the maker is unknown.

01-23-2002, 11:21 PM

Hello,

Here is the info I have on epf:

Interessengemeinschaft fuer Bergbau u. Huettenbetrieb AG, Betriebsgruppe Bismarkhuette, Huettenwerk Falvahuette in Schwientochlowitz, Kreis Kattowitz, later "Koenigs-u. Bismarkhuette A.G." ... sometimes mistakenly associated with "eqf". However this is not consistent with WaA280 that was attributed to cww Carl Weiss Braunschweig in 1942 and ce Sauer und Sohn Suhl 1942-1944.

tom · 01-23-2002, 11:57 PM

Hi,

epf holsters are something like upside air mail stamps...the result of a screw up.

These holsters were SUPPOSED to be marked eqf, but on at least one set of dies, the diemaker reversed the q and it became a p.

They were made by Karl Bocker of Waldbrol.

Hope this helps.

Tom

Aaron · 01-24-2002, 12:35 AM

Since I have a 1941 epf holster and the original post was about an epf 1942 holster, it is hard to believe that they continued to reverse the q for at least a year without correcting the dies.

01-24-2002, 01:55 AM

Why a whole year? It's only one day from 1941 until 1942.

tom · 01-24-2002, 10:25 AM

Were I in the manufacturing business and had all of my production capability maxed out and products sold, I wouldn't spend a pfennig to correct something like a Waffen Ampt code die, but then again I am profit oriented.

Tom

dgp42 · 01-24-2002, 11:41 AM

thanks for all the replys. good info!!!

Aaron · 01-24-2002, 01:30 PM

I stupidly forget to check my Military Holsters of World War II by Bender. He says epf was the code for Karl Bocker Lederwarenfabrik, Waldbrohl/Rheinland, no ands ifs or buts.

01-24-2002, 06:01 PM

Same thing happened on the Designation for some Wartime softsided Radom Holsters manufactured by the Germanys. Somebody screwed the marking dies up.

01-24-2002, 06:53 PM

There was a war going on, slave labor from who knows where,and holsters are definitely on the low end of the procurement process - expendable, ect., and the big rearmament was also in 42,(S42) could have been a mistake but knowing Germans the way I do it probably wasn't. They couldn't live with a mistake like that.

tom · 01-25-2002, 01:07 AM

After spending over 10 years in Deutschland spread over 3 decades, and running a German corporation as Geshaftsfuerher und Prokurist,I can assure you that any German I have ever known would blow this sort of bureaucratic BS off and continue to go for das geld. The wonderful thing about German exactitude is they generally know when to apply it...to increase profit or to avoid serious downside penalties...to subscribe to the stereotypical characterization of Germans as perfectionis automotons makes about as much sense as believing all Japanese have bad eyes-W.W.II allied propaganda.

A misstamped die would be of no concern to a lederwarenfabrik; as evidence of how little concern die marking could be in wartime Germany, consider the well documented thousand or so Erfurt pistols stamped with the defective Crown on the toggle.

I rest my case.

Tom

01-23-2002, 07:14 PM	#1
dgp42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Calif. Coast Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	epf42 luger holster I cannot find reference to this makers mark epf42 w/eagle over WaA280 P-08 any info appreciated.

01-23-2002, 07:30 PM	#2
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: epf42 luger holster Is it eqf? Karl Bocker, Lederwarenfabrik, Waldbrol/Rheinland.

01-23-2002, 07:36 PM	#3
dgp42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Calif. Coast Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster I checked Still's 3rd Reich Lugers and had the same question as you about eqf42. Am communicating by email about this holster and am assured it's e-p-f . any help appreciated

01-23-2002, 08:18 PM	#4
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Here's some information I also have an epf holster dated 1941, and cannot find what maker it represents. However, it is listed in World of Lugers by Constanzo, but he says the maker is unknown.

01-23-2002, 11:21 PM	#5
GaÃ?Â«tan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: epf42 luger holster Hello, Here is the info I have on epf: Interessengemeinschaft fuer Bergbau u. Huettenbetrieb AG, Betriebsgruppe Bismarkhuette, Huettenwerk Falvahuette in Schwientochlowitz, Kreis Kattowitz, later "Koenigs-u. Bismarkhuette A.G." ... sometimes mistakenly associated with "eqf". However this is not consistent with WaA280 that was attributed to cww Carl Weiss Braunschweig in 1942 and ce Sauer und Sohn Suhl 1942-1944.

01-23-2002, 11:57 PM	#6
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster Hi, epf holsters are something like upside air mail stamps...the result of a screw up. These holsters were SUPPOSED to be marked eqf, but on at least one set of dies, the diemaker reversed the q and it became a p. They were made by Karl Bocker of Waldbrol. Hope this helps. Tom

01-24-2002, 12:35 AM	#7
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster Since I have a 1941 epf holster and the original post was about an epf 1942 holster, it is hard to believe that they continued to reverse the q for at least a year without correcting the dies.

01-24-2002, 01:55 AM	#8
Bill Utterback Guest Posts: n/a	Re: epf42 luger holster Why a whole year? It's only one day from 1941 until 1942.

01-24-2002, 10:25 AM	#9
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster Were I in the manufacturing business and had all of my production capability maxed out and products sold, I wouldn't spend a pfennig to correct something like a Waffen Ampt code die, but then again I am profit oriented. Tom

01-24-2002, 11:41 AM	#10
dgp42 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central Calif. Coast Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster thanks for all the replys. good info!!!

01-24-2002, 01:30 PM	#11
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Here's what Bender Says I stupidly forget to check my Military Holsters of World War II by Bender. He says epf was the code for Karl Bocker Lederwarenfabrik, Waldbrohl/Rheinland, no ands ifs or buts.

01-24-2002, 06:01 PM	#12
Tracy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: epf42 luger holster Same thing happened on the Designation for some Wartime softsided Radom Holsters manufactured by the Germanys. Somebody screwed the marking dies up.

01-24-2002, 06:53 PM	#13
R. Grady/roadkill Guest Posts: n/a	Re: epf42 luger holster There was a war going on, slave labor from who knows where,and holsters are definitely on the low end of the procurement process - expendable, ect., and the big rearmament was also in 42,(S42) could have been a mistake but knowing Germans the way I do it probably wasn't. They couldn't live with a mistake like that.

01-25-2002, 01:07 AM	#14
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: epf42 luger holster After spending over 10 years in Deutschland spread over 3 decades, and running a German corporation as Geshaftsfuerher und Prokurist,I can assure you that any German I have ever known would blow this sort of bureaucratic BS off and continue to go for das geld. The wonderful thing about German exactitude is they generally know when to apply it...to increase profit or to avoid serious downside penalties...to subscribe to the stereotypical characterization of Germans as perfectionis automotons makes about as much sense as believing all Japanese have bad eyes-W.W.II allied propaganda. A misstamped die would be of no concern to a lederwarenfabrik; as evidence of how little concern die marking could be in wartime Germany, consider the well documented thousand or so Erfurt pistols stamped with the defective Crown on the toggle. I rest my case. Tom