questionable bayonet stamp on e-bay?

Steve71 · 02-09-2011, 12:12 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=p5197.c0.m619

The above link (I hope I pasted it right) is for a "new" condition m1 bayonet. This web site has taught me some things about E-bay. Look at the last picture and look at that stamp. What do you think? Forgery?

Steve71 · 02-09-2011, 12:17 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Sorry. Wrong link. Try this one

alanint · 02-09-2011, 12:24 AM

Although bayonets are not my area of expertise, I do own several. This looks correct in its markings but I believe it to have been ground/polished and reparked, (look at the "H" and the buff marks around it).
It you are looking to buy it for pristine condition I might be a little leery.

Steve71 · 02-09-2011, 12:48 AM

Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Even the "US" on the scabbord looks different from others. It's hard to tell. There was so many different companies making them. You know, like Lugers

I can't imagine going to the trouble of forging a bayonet, but maybe. That "H" doesn't look right at all. The buff marks make me even more concerned. I just can't be certain so I guess I'll stay away from it. THANKS!

sheepherder · 02-09-2011, 07:09 AM

I looked at your original URL and I don't like the look of that stamp either...

Second auction is the same seller...Imagine that! A trove of unissued bayonets...

alanint · 02-09-2011, 07:39 AM

Even an unissued bayonet would have been slid out of its scabbard enough times over the years to leave some scorring.

Someone got himself a new parkerizing kit!!

Ron Smith · 02-09-2011, 07:55 AM

I'm not even close to being knowledgable on U.S. bayonets and cannot comment on this example. I will add that I know a Garand / M-1 Carbine collector who bought a crate of WWII / Korean War issue bayonets from a Nat'l Guard Armory. They were all NIB and in as issued condition. So it is possible, but a rare circumstance.

John Sabato · 02-09-2011, 12:25 PM

I am not by any means an expert on bayonet markings, but considering my 12 years of experience in Luger photo-forensics on this website, I would have to express my opinion, that the stamps on these bayonets appear to have been placed there after the bayonets had been welded in the area of the original stamps, and then surface ground flat, then stamped, then reparkerized.

I Submit that the parkerization doesn't seem to be even across the upper stamp in either example. That is why I think the area was welded to fill in whatever stamp was originally there. The parkerizing looks like it is very thin on the area which would have been modified because of the difference in the steel used for the bayonet and whatever was use to fill the area.

... I would not feel comfortable that these bayonets were originally stamped as they appear today IMHO. "That's my story and I'm sticking to it..."

Steve71 · 02-09-2011, 05:37 PM

You guys are awesome. More importantly your you have helped me to be a smarter consumer. I've learned more from you guys than anyone.

Thank you.

rolandtg · 02-09-2011, 06:35 PM

Also no expert but I have seen many M1 bayonets and those look suspect to me as well.

Steve71 · 02-11-2011, 12:45 AM

I couldn't resist it. I sent a note to the seller nicely telling him the bayonets were questionable. Hopefully he wasn't a victim himself, etc. Below is his reply.

all is kosher and original - having ten unisued blades is not odd if you have been collecting for 40 years - very best to you ahve a great day -

rolandtg · 02-11-2011, 07:04 PM

http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/bayo_points_30.htm

Some interesting photos here...

alanint · 02-11-2011, 08:35 PM

Notice that there are NO grind marks around the stampings on the bayonets shown. I looked at one of mine and the metal is smooth in this area. I'll post a photo as soon as I can.

There were never any "last ditch" or "expedient" manufacturing shortcuts taken with US bayonets. All original should be nicely finished.

hgreer2 · 02-11-2011, 10:07 PM

Fake !!!!

Want pictures ?

Harry

02-09-2011, 12:12 AM	#1
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	questionable bayonet stamp on e-bay? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=p5197.c0.m619 The above link (I hope I pasted it right) is for a "new" condition m1 bayonet. This web site has taught me some things about E-bay. Look at the last picture and look at that stamp. What do you think? Forgery? __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

02-09-2011, 12:17 AM	#2
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT Sorry. Wrong link. Try this one __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

02-09-2011, 12:48 AM	#4
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Even the "US" on the scabbord looks different from others. It's hard to tell. There was so many different companies making them. You know, like Lugers I can't imagine going to the trouble of forging a bayonet, but maybe. That "H" doesn't look right at all. The buff marks make me even more concerned. I just can't be certain so I guess I'll stay away from it. THANKS! __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

02-09-2011, 07:09 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,441 Times in 2,329 Posts	I looked at your original URL and I don't like the look of that stamp either... Second auction is the same seller...Imagine that! A trove of unissued bayonets... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-09-2011, 07:55 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I'm not even close to being knowledgable on U.S. bayonets and cannot comment on this example. I will add that I know a Garand / M-1 Carbine collector who bought a crate of WWII / Korean War issue bayonets from a Nat'l Guard Armory. They were all NIB and in as issued condition. So it is possible, but a rare circumstance. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-09-2011, 12:24 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Although bayonets are not my area of expertise, I do own several. This looks correct in its markings but I believe it to have been ground/polished and reparked, (look at the "H" and the buff marks around it). It you are looking to buy it for pristine condition I might be a little leery.

02-09-2011, 07:39 AM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Even an unissued bayonet would have been slid out of its scabbard enough times over the years to leave some scorring. Someone got himself a new parkerizing kit!!

02-09-2011, 12:25 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I am not by any means an expert on bayonet markings, but considering my 12 years of experience in Luger photo-forensics on this website, I would have to express my opinion, that the stamps on these bayonets appear to have been placed there after the bayonets had been welded in the area of the original stamps, and then surface ground flat, then stamped, then reparkerized. I Submit that the parkerization doesn't seem to be even across the upper stamp in either example. That is why I think the area was welded to fill in whatever stamp was originally there. The parkerizing looks like it is very thin on the area which would have been modified because of the difference in the steel used for the bayonet and whatever was use to fill the area. ... I would not feel comfortable that these bayonets were originally stamped as they appear today IMHO. "That's my story and I'm sticking to it..." __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-09-2011, 05:37 PM	#9
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You guys are awesome. More importantly your you have helped me to be a smarter consumer. I've learned more from you guys than anyone. Thank you. __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

02-09-2011, 06:35 PM	#10
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 476 Thanks: 374 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Also no expert but I have seen many M1 bayonets and those look suspect to me as well.

02-11-2011, 12:45 AM	#11
Steve71 User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sumner, Wa. Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I couldn't resist it. I sent a note to the seller nicely telling him the bayonets were questionable. Hopefully he wasn't a victim himself, etc. Below is his reply. all is kosher and original - having ten unisued blades is not odd if you have been collecting for 40 years - very best to you ahve a great day - __________________ "Hey soldier, don't forget to pick up the Lugers. Someday, they'll be worth a lot of money".

02-11-2011, 07:04 PM	#12
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 476 Thanks: 374 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/bayo_points_30.htm Some interesting photos here...

02-11-2011, 08:35 PM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Notice that there are NO grind marks around the stampings on the bayonets shown. I looked at one of mine and the metal is smooth in this area. I'll post a photo as soon as I can. There were never any "last ditch" or "expedient" manufacturing shortcuts taken with US bayonets. All original should be nicely finished.

02-11-2011, 10:07 PM	#14
hgreer2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 309 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	Fake !!!! Want pictures ? Harry