37 S/42 input

n467us · 02-09-2010, 07:52 PM

Luger marked 1937 S/42, looks refinished, but looks like older work, probably 95%, numbers match..............opinions please

Norme · 02-09-2010, 08:12 PM

Hi and welcome to the forum, it's hard to tell from your photos but your gun looks pretty good to me. Mauser switched from a rust blue finish with strawed small parts, to an all salt blue gun after serial#1500t. What is your gun's serial number suffix? Regards, Norm

Edward Tinker · 02-09-2010, 08:40 PM

Eugen, how about giving us some more information?

Why is it refinished?

From these photo's it looks ok, but these photos are not the best. If refinshed, the 95% doesn't matter in the least, once refinished, its refinished.

Ed

n467us · 02-09-2010, 09:05 PM

I haven't had this pistol in hand. Photos are what I was sent. The seller thinks the piece has been refinished, he suggested maybe 42 refinished it during the war, possible? More to come...btw he said no straw/and suffix on SN is "c"

wlyon · 02-09-2010, 11:53 PM

Would check the suffix since c is out of the 1937 range. Need better pictures to tell you much. However from the present pictures it looks pretty good. I would not bet on it being refinished. Bill

n467us · 02-10-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

Would check the suffix since c is out of the 1937 range. Need better pictures to tell you much. However from the present pictures it looks pretty good. I would not bet on it being refinished. Bill

Sorry the pics are not the best..........

Norme · 02-10-2010, 09:09 AM

Hi again, That suffix is hard to make out. Try rubbing a little talcum powder in, and taking another photo. I am almost certain the finish is original. Regards

n467us · 02-10-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

Would check the suffix since c is out of the 1937 range. Need better pictures to tell you much. However from the present pictures it looks pretty good. I would not bet on it being refinished. Bill

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Originally Posted by Norme

Hi again, That suffix is hard to make out. Try rubbing a little talcum powder in, and taking another photo. I am almost certain the finish is original. Regards

Hard to rub talc on a picture............that's all I got Norme. Can we think about what it should be?
I see a 1937 S/42, sn 9440a, SE/63 SE/63 MTP in the Data Request thread. Could be an "a"

Updated....In contact with the owner and he is for sure it is a "c" on this pistol.

Norme · 02-10-2010, 09:30 AM

Hi, It looks like a b but thats out of the range. t or u are possibilities. Regards

suum cuique · 02-10-2010, 11:16 AM

an "e" marking?

n467us · 02-10-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by suum cuique

an "e" marking?

Current owner (who was born in Germany and is familier with the script) swears it is "c". I will just have to wait and see. I have seen odder things than this before, haven't we all?

fred p · 02-10-2010, 03:05 PM

I played with the pic a little. not sure it helped but here ya go. maybe....

n467us · 02-10-2010, 03:34 PM

Maybe the worker had too much schnapps and it is an "o".........

The "o" is the only character I see with a tail that high.

chuck17 · 02-10-2010, 06:47 PM

It looks like a "c" to me. The high tail is probably a scuff.

Norme · 02-10-2010, 07:49 PM

According to "Third Reich Lugers" the serial range for 1937 S/42 Lugers is 4500p to 400b. The change over to the all salt blue finish occurred at about 1500t. So b and c suffixes are both out. Regards

n467us · 02-11-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Norme

According to "Third Reich Lugers" the serial range for 1937 S/42 Lugers is 4500p to 400b. The change over to the all salt blue finish occurred at about 1500t. So b and c suffixes are both out. Regards

1937 S/42's 4500p thru 400b....if this is right then this 1937 has a bogus SN or the suffix was stamped wrong at the factory

Norme · 02-11-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by n467us

1937 S/42's 4500p thru 400b....if this is right then this 1937 has a bogus SN or the suffix was stamped wrong at the factory

A more likely possibility is that this is an imperfectly or partially struck letter. You can see from the photo of the x suffix on my 1937 S/42, that if the top left hand section were missing, it could well be taken for a c. The only way to resolve this question is to ask the owner to take a clearer photograph. Regards

n467us · 02-12-2010, 08:44 AM

Receiver acceptance stamps are SE63 DE63 MTP.
Reported serial range for 1937 with SE63 DE63 MTP is 4147y-9511z.

Looks like a nice Luger...to me at least

n467us · 03-07-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by n467us

Current owner (who was born in Germany and is familier with the script) swears it is "c". I will just have to wait and see. I have seen odder things than this before, haven't we all?

I have the pistol in hand and there is no doubt about it guys it is a "c" suffix.

02-09-2010, 08:40 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Eugen, how about giving us some more information? Why is it refinished? From these photo's it looks ok, but these photos are not the best. If refinshed, the 95% doesn't matter in the least, once refinished, its refinished. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-09-2010, 09:05 PM	#4
n467us User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I haven't had this pistol in hand. Photos are what I was sent. The seller thinks the piece has been refinished, he suggested maybe 42 refinished it during the war, possible? More to come...btw he said no straw/and suffix on SN is "c" __________________ *"Neue Aktentasche von Stauffenberg?" ........Adolf Hitler* Last edited by n467us; 02-09-2010 at 09:38 PM. Reason: straw

02-09-2010, 11:53 PM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Would check the suffix since c is out of the 1937 range. Need better pictures to tell you much. However from the present pictures it looks pretty good. I would not bet on it being refinished. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-10-2010, 11:16 AM	#10
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 108 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	could be an "e" marking? __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

02-10-2010, 03:05 PM	#12
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I played with the pic a little. not sure it helped but here ya go. maybe.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ if it's broke I'll either fix it or I'll fix it so no one else can fix it.

02-09-2010, 07:52 PM	#1
n467us User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	37 S/42 input Luger marked 1937 S/42, looks refinished, but looks like older work, probably 95%, numbers match..............opinions please __________________ *"Neue Aktentasche von Stauffenberg?" ........Adolf Hitler*

02-09-2010, 08:12 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi and welcome to the forum, it's hard to tell from your photos but your gun looks pretty good to me. Mauser switched from a rust blue finish with strawed small parts, to an all salt blue gun after serial#1500t. What is your gun's serial number suffix? Regards, Norm

02-10-2010, 09:09 AM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi again, That suffix is hard to make out. Try rubbing a little talcum powder in, and taking another photo. I am almost certain the finish is original. Regards

02-10-2010, 09:30 AM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi, It looks like a b but thats out of the range. t or u are possibilities. Regards

02-10-2010, 03:34 PM	#13
n467us User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe the worker had too much schnapps and it is an "o"......... The "o" is the only character I see with a tail that high. __________________ *"Neue Aktentasche von Stauffenberg?" ........Adolf Hitler*

02-10-2010, 06:47 PM	#14
chuck17 User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fla Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	It looks like a "c" to me. The high tail is probably a scuff.

02-10-2010, 07:49 PM	#15
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	According to "Third Reich Lugers" the serial range for 1937 S/42 Lugers is 4500p to 400b. The change over to the all salt blue finish occurred at about 1500t. So b and c suffixes are both out. Regards

02-12-2010, 08:44 AM	#18
n467us User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Receiver acceptance stamps are SE63 DE63 MTP. Reported serial range for 1937 with SE63 DE63 MTP is 4147y-9511z. Looks like a nice Luger...to me at least __________________ *"Neue Aktentasche von Stauffenberg?" ........Adolf Hitler* Last edited by n467us; 02-12-2010 at 08:53 AM. Reason: pic added