Nice G Date ruined

jamese · 02-13-2009, 09:08 AM

This looks to have been a nice G Date that was ruined
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=122848139

Does anybody know who Barry Gathafner is and if he was a Luger collector ??

Jim

Ron Smith · 02-13-2009, 09:21 AM

Interesting "official" bring back document.

I like this, " Note, I did not take a hi resolution image of the document as I did not want this document copies and reproduced by anyone."

They must have bollixed the first attempt. The side panel and receiver have been sanded or draw filed and cold blued. Note the 3 different SN fonts. Numbers on the side plate are twice as large, and the 4s are all different.

Edward Tinker · 02-13-2009, 12:28 PM

It doesn't look like a stamping to me, but engraved and heck, hand engraved at that

Ed

KarlJ · 02-13-2009, 01:09 PM

Hey, I know, let's get lickered up and try out my new engraving pen...

OLDJARHEAD · 02-13-2009, 01:20 PM

Looks like a POS

Steinar · 02-13-2009, 02:35 PM

It's a pitty..

Certificates can be made by anyone who can handle a printer, pen and a stamp/photoshop.
I sometimes request safety related certificates from trough my work. If needed badly enough, they will somehow find it's way to the table within an hour. Usually with a stamp or language unknown to me. Anything can look authentic and good, but if it can't be traced, it's pretty worthless.

Greg G · 02-13-2009, 04:07 PM

The death heads look like Gary Larson comic strip characters.

OLDJARHEAD · 02-13-2009, 04:16 PM

"A fool and his money will soon be parted"

alvin · 02-13-2009, 06:39 PM

Mike -- Lacking of knowledge has nothing to do with intelligence. On average, modern man and woman are actually not smarter than their ancestors 2000 or 3000 years ago, although modern people are more knowledgable on many things. Also, I noticed people's capabilities are multi-dimentioal, some are strong in this area, some are strong in another area.

OLDJARHEAD · 02-13-2009, 08:56 PM

Word History: The pejorative nature of the term fool is strengthened by a knowledge of its etymology. Its source, the Latin word follis, meant "a bag or sack, a large inflated ball, a pair of bellows." Users of the word in Late Latin, however, saw a resemblance between the bellows or the inflated ball and a person who was what we would call "a windbag" or "an airhead." The word, which passed into English by way of French, is first recorded in English in a work written around the beginning of the 13th century with the sense "a foolish, stupid, or ignorant person."

2. A person deficient in intellect; one who acts absurdly, or pursues a course contrary to the dictates of wisdom; one without judgment; a simpleton; a dolt.

tomaustin · 02-13-2009, 10:07 PM

i fully expect it will be purchased.........

MFC · 02-14-2009, 12:00 AM

Like Jim said... a nice G date ruined. Early B90 S91 proofs. (a) suffix.
What a shame. It hurts to look at it.

Jfisher · 02-14-2009, 12:35 AM

"The death heads look like Gary Larson comic strip characters" - Greg G

Bid is up to $1,813.00 with 17 bids so far????

Maybe Gary Larson did do the drawing on it. His original artwork is quite valuable.

OLDJARHEAD · 02-14-2009, 07:35 AM

Here is one consolation . Inspection Period / Return Policy " Five Days from the date the item is received "

jamese · 02-14-2009, 07:38 AM

Quote:

2. A person deficient in intellect; one who acts absurdly, or pursues a course contrary to the dictates of wisdom; one without judgment; a simpleton; a dolt.

Old Jarhead,
you must be talking about Folks in Washington DC, ones we elect to represent us

Jim

OLDJARHEAD · 02-15-2009, 07:28 AM

Current Bid $2,225.00

SteveM · 02-15-2009, 10:18 AM

He has a 1935 numbered police holster with matching numbered magazine and tool also. The other matching numbered mag is in the g-date. Same bidder on both auctions.

jonnyc · 02-15-2009, 11:33 AM

Might not mean anything, but lots of the same bidders in all his auctions.

OLDJARHEAD · 02-22-2009, 12:07 PM

Current Bid $5,000.00 WOW

OLDJARHEAD · 02-22-2009, 12:13 PM

Information added 02/17/2009 12:56:29 AM]
Note that due to many requests, I've decided to go ahead and upload a better image of the dated and signed capture certificate. I'm now showing front and back.

“capture certificate” Does not prove anything if it was doctored after the fact. Get real. Must be a lot of gullible people in la la land. Can’t be any of the bidders are forum members. They should be.

02-13-2009, 09:08 AM	#1
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	Nice G Date ruined This looks to have been a nice G Date that was ruined http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=122848139 Does anybody know who Barry Gathafner is and if he was a Luger collector ?? Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

02-13-2009, 09:21 AM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Interesting "official" bring back document. I like this, " Note, I did not take a hi resolution image of the document as I did not want this document copies and reproduced by anyone." They must have bollixed the first attempt. The side panel and receiver have been sanded or draw filed and cold blued. Note the 3 different SN fonts. Numbers on the side plate are twice as large, and the 4s are all different. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-13-2009, 12:28 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,927 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	It doesn't look like a stamping to me, but engraved and heck, hand engraved at that Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-13-2009, 02:35 PM	#6
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	It's a pitty.. Certificates can be made by anyone who can handle a printer, pen and a stamp/photoshop. I sometimes request safety related certificates from trough my work. If needed badly enough, they will somehow find it's way to the table within an hour. Usually with a stamp or language unknown to me. Anything can look authentic and good, but if it can't be traced, it's pretty worthless. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-13-2009, 10:07 PM	#11
tomaustin Lifer X5 Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: texas Posts: 708 Thanks: 87 Thanked 522 Times in 201 Posts	may i assume that you fellows don't like the gun??? i fully expect it will be purchased.........

02-13-2009, 01:09 PM	#4
KarlJ User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 28 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hey, I know, let's get lickered up and try out my new engraving pen...

02-13-2009, 01:20 PM	#5
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Looks like a POS

02-13-2009, 04:07 PM	#7
Greg G User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TX Posts: 65 Thanks: 15 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	The death heads look like Gary Larson comic strip characters.

02-13-2009, 04:16 PM	#8
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	"A fool and his money will soon be parted"

02-13-2009, 06:39 PM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Mike -- Lacking of knowledge has nothing to do with intelligence. On average, modern man and woman are actually not smarter than their ancestors 2000 or 3000 years ago, although modern people are more knowledgable on many things. Also, I noticed people's capabilities are multi-dimentioal, some are strong in this area, some are strong in another area.

02-13-2009, 08:56 PM	#10
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Word History: The pejorative nature of the term fool is strengthened by a knowledge of its etymology. Its source, the Latin word follis, meant "a bag or sack, a large inflated ball, a pair of bellows." Users of the word in Late Latin, however, saw a resemblance between the bellows or the inflated ball and a person who was what we would call "a windbag" or "an airhead." The word, which passed into English by way of French, is first recorded in English in a work written around the beginning of the 13th century with the sense "a foolish, stupid, or ignorant person." 2. A person deficient in intellect; one who acts absurdly, or pursues a course contrary to the dictates of wisdom; one without judgment; a simpleton; a dolt.

02-14-2009, 12:00 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Like Jim said... a nice G date ruined. Early B90 S91 proofs. (a) suffix. What a shame. It hurts to look at it. __________________ Mike C.

02-14-2009, 12:35 AM	#13
Jfisher User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	"The death heads look like Gary Larson comic strip characters" - Greg G Bid is up to $1,813.00 with 17 bids so far???? Maybe Gary Larson did do the drawing on it. His original artwork is quite valuable.

02-14-2009, 07:35 AM	#14
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Here is one consolation . Inspection Period / Return Policy " Five Days from the date the item is received "

02-15-2009, 07:28 AM	#16
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Current Bid $2,225.00

02-15-2009, 10:18 AM	#17
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	He has a 1935 numbered police holster with matching numbered magazine and tool also. The other matching numbered mag is in the g-date. Same bidder on both auctions.

02-15-2009, 11:33 AM	#18
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Might not mean anything, but lots of the same bidders in all his auctions.

02-22-2009, 12:07 PM	#19
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Current Bid $5,000.00 WOW

02-22-2009, 12:13 PM	#20
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	Information added 02/17/2009 12:56:29 AM] Note that due to many requests, I've decided to go ahead and upload a better image of the dated and signed capture certificate. I'm now showing front and back. “capture certificate” Does not prove anything if it was doctored after the fact. Get real. Must be a lot of gullible people in la la land. Can’t be any of the bidders are forum members. They should be.