Toggle does not return to battery

paradox998 · 07-09-2007, 11:30 PM

Hello:

I am new to collecting and appreciate all the great information on this forum. Over the weekend I shot a 1940, 42 code Mauser. Every time we shot it the spent cartridge ejected, but the toggle did not return to battery. When we pressed it down by hand the pistol fired fine, but every time the toggle stayed up. What would cause this? Thanks in advance.

MFC · 07-10-2007, 12:12 AM

Hi Hal,
My first guess is that the main spring is too weak. I assume you cleaned and oiled the gun before firing.
Mike C.

Steinar · 07-10-2007, 02:31 AM

..or to strong, not letting the toggle go all the way back?
If you push the Luger muzzle to muzzle against another Luger, you might get an indication if it's stronger or weaker than the other.
Another thing you can check is if the receiver pinches on the frame somehow. You can try this with and without the toggle train.. Good luck with it, and welcome to the forum!

Vlim · 07-10-2007, 04:14 AM

Also, a holdopen in not too good a condition may block the toggle, as it will bounce up during recoil. A simple test is to shoot a series without the holdopen installed.

LugerVern · 07-10-2007, 05:17 AM

All very good suggestions for you to try, you might also try a different magazine; if yours is damaged or simply not fitted properly it will hang the toggle up when returning.

Let us know what works for you

Vern

Steinar · 07-10-2007, 06:22 AM

..and keep a firm grip

paradox998 · 07-10-2007, 09:22 AM

Thanks to everyone. I sure appreciate the help of experts!

John Sabato · 07-10-2007, 10:14 AM

Don't forget that the gun should be lubricated in the slide/toggle grooves as well...

paolo.orange · 07-16-2007, 07:40 AM

I had the same problem with my handloaded round TC bullet 125 gr , OAL 28.7 mm. Given that specific shape of that specific bullet, despite the short OAL, the bullet touched the land and the breach couldn't close.
TC bullets made by other manufacturers worked just fine.

Just my 2 Euro cents.

07-09-2007, 11:30 PM	#1
paradox998 User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Toggle does not return to battery Hello: I am new to collecting and appreciate all the great information on this forum. Over the weekend I shot a 1940, 42 code Mauser. Every time we shot it the spent cartridge ejected, but the toggle did not return to battery. When we pressed it down by hand the pistol fired fine, but every time the toggle stayed up. What would cause this? Thanks in advance.

07-10-2007, 12:12 AM	#2
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Hal, My first guess is that the main spring is too weak. I assume you cleaned and oiled the gun before firing. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

07-10-2007, 02:31 AM	#3
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	..or to strong, not letting the toggle go all the way back? If you push the Luger muzzle to muzzle against another Luger, you might get an indication if it's stronger or weaker than the other. Another thing you can check is if the receiver pinches on the frame somehow. You can try this with and without the toggle train.. Good luck with it, and welcome to the forum! __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

07-10-2007, 06:22 AM	#6
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	..and keep a firm grip __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

07-10-2007, 10:14 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Don't forget that the gun should be lubricated in the slide/toggle grooves as well... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-10-2007, 04:14 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,049 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,954 Times in 1,200 Posts	Also, a holdopen in not too good a condition may block the toggle, as it will bounce up during recoil. A simple test is to shoot a series without the holdopen installed.

07-10-2007, 05:17 AM	#5
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	All very good suggestions for you to try, you might also try a different magazine; if yours is damaged or simply not fitted properly it will hang the toggle up when returning. Let us know what works for you Vern

07-10-2007, 09:22 AM	#7
paradox998 User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks to everyone. I sure appreciate the help of experts!

07-16-2007, 07:40 AM	#9
paolo.orange User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I had the same problem with my handloaded round TC bullet 125 gr , OAL 28.7 mm. Given that specific shape of that specific bullet, despite the short OAL, the bullet touched the land and the breach couldn't close. TC bullets made by other manufacturers worked just fine. Just my 2 Euro cents. __________________ Grace under fire, business as usual.