Need info on a Portuguese luger

luscioman · 04-27-2007, 09:58 AM

I know a collector that is selling part of his collection one of which is a Portuguese luger. It is a reblue and the only markings on it are DWM and the single proofs on it. Sorry for the quality of pics they are from the seller. Just trying to get a price and see a ballpark of what its worth. I was thiking about $500-$600 range. He also has the nicest 1945 enfield sniper I have ever seen. It has never been fired in the orignal wooden crate and is all matching.

luscioman · 04-27-2007, 10:02 AM

luscioman · 04-27-2007, 10:02 AM

Ron Wood · 04-27-2007, 10:59 AM

It is a 1906 Portuguese Army. Since the only marking on top of the gun that you can see is the DWM, the intertwined "M2" royal crest over the chamber has been ground off. It is a relatively scarce gun, too bad it has suffered such indignities. Your price range is a fair estimate since it has been reduced to shooter category.

Pete Ebbink · 04-27-2007, 12:56 PM

Steve,

Would you mind sharing the serial number. Some Members are tracking commercial luger serials.

BTW...does the magazine have a wooden bottom with the triangle/circle stamping in the wood ? If yes, that might be an original magazine and based on its condition, might be worth $ 200 or more just by itself...

I was happy to pay $ 250 for a really mint magazine about 1.5 years ago for my M2 Luger...

luscioman · 04-27-2007, 01:37 PM

There is no serial number on it that I can find. I have not taken it apart yet to check for any on the internals. . I will get a close up picture of the magazine, but it is a blank wood based magaine. I suspect the magazine is not original though.

Ron Wood · 04-27-2007, 02:28 PM

Just a minor point...the M2 is a contract Luger with its own serial number range, so does not fit in with the commercial data. That said, it is always nice to know serial numbers for any category (some of us track odd stuff!). It is really too bad that this one has been totally "sanitized" and not even the serial number is available.

Pete Ebbink · 04-28-2007, 12:13 PM

Ron,

Of course you are right...about the commercial versus contract boo-boo I wrote...

BTW...here is another M2 Luger...# 663 with photo :

http://www.turners.com/shop/gundetail.php?id=1658

Big Norm · 04-29-2007, 02:33 AM

Ron,
I have two M2's. Serial numbers 2870 and 2871.
Big Norm

Big Norm · 04-29-2007, 02:44 AM

Luscioman,
your magazine should not have a serial number on it. It will only have a small circled triangle on the wood bottom and that could be put in lightly. So look close.
Big Norm

Ron Wood · 04-29-2007, 09:10 AM

Hey Norm,
Consecutive numbers...that's neat! Are they similar in condition?
Ron

Big Norm · 04-29-2007, 10:31 PM

Both guns look pretty good with 2870 being the better of the two. Very nice original strawing with only normal wear on the muzzle and side plate on that gun. The grip safety has the number 07 and so has the right grip. (right numbers, wrong sequence) Left grip not numbered. Matching four digit number under barrel and front of frame. 70 is on trigger and locking bolt. Light wear on grips.

The 2871 gun shows little more wear on the straw and on the left rabbit ear under the thumb safety. All serial numbers on the metal of the gun are appropriate as is the left grip. The right grip has a small dent but checkering is good and the number on that one is 17. Right numbers, wrong sequence again.

Neither of the guns has any pitting and the circled triangle proof mark is in the same location on both guns (left side of frame and under toggle lip on the rear of the gun). Original mags with both guns (no serial number, but proof marked). Very nice price of $2800 for both guns (including shipping) from Collectors Firearms in Houston, Texas in 2003. That was a good buy, even in those olden days.
Big Norm

luscioman · 04-30-2007, 12:08 AM

After checking this luger again there is one number located inside the frame near the take down lever and its 08. The left side grip was marked 36 and there was no marking on the firing pin.

Big Norm · 05-01-2007, 01:50 AM

Luscioman,
I didn't see a number where you mentioned in either of my guns. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong spot. I do have the appropriate two digit numbers on the locking lug of the receiver on both of my guns.
Big Norm

luscioman · 05-01-2007, 08:34 PM

Big Norm I am 90% certain there is the "delta" mark on the mag. It is very faint and there are scratches near it but I can make it out. I will try to take a pic of it but it has proven to be very hard. I did actually pick this one up from the seller but only because I had to buy part of his collection.

Pete Ebbink · 05-02-2007, 05:28 PM

Here are some photos from my M2...

Big Norm · 05-05-2007, 05:30 PM

Could anyone post a picture showing the difference between a 1900, 1906 and a P-08 set of grips?
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 05-06-2007, 09:34 PM

Norm,

Thought you mastered the digital camera thing at the SOS dinner...how about posting up the grips on your # 2870 and # 2871...?

04-27-2007, 09:58 AM	#1
luscioman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 113 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Need info on a Portuguese luger I know a collector that is selling part of his collection one of which is a Portuguese luger. It is a reblue and the only markings on it are DWM and the single proofs on it. Sorry for the quality of pics they are from the seller. Just trying to get a price and see a ballpark of what its worth. I was thiking about $500-$600 range. He also has the nicest 1945 enfield sniper I have ever seen. It has never been fired in the orignal wooden crate and is all matching. Attached Thumbnails

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04-27-2007, 10:59 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	It is a 1906 Portuguese Army. Since the only marking on top of the gun that you can see is the DWM, the intertwined "M2" royal crest over the chamber has been ground off. It is a relatively scarce gun, too bad it has suffered such indignities. Your price range is a fair estimate since it has been reduced to shooter category. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-27-2007, 02:28 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Just a minor point...the M2 is a contract Luger with its own serial number range, so does not fit in with the commercial data. That said, it is always nice to know serial numbers for any category (some of us track odd stuff!). It is really too bad that this one has been totally "sanitized" and not even the serial number is available. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-27-2007, 12:56 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Steve, Would you mind sharing the serial number. Some Members are tracking commercial luger serials. BTW...does the magazine have a wooden bottom with the triangle/circle stamping in the wood ? If yes, that might be an original magazine and based on its condition, might be worth $ 200 or more just by itself... I was happy to pay $ 250 for a really mint magazine about 1.5 years ago for my M2 Luger...

04-27-2007, 01:37 PM	#6
luscioman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 113 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There is no serial number on it that I can find. I have not taken it apart yet to check for any on the internals. . I will get a close up picture of the magazine, but it is a blank wood based magaine. I suspect the magazine is not original though.

04-28-2007, 12:13 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Ron, Of course you are right...about the commercial versus contract boo-boo I wrote... BTW...here is another M2 Luger...# 663 with photo : http://www.turners.com/shop/gundetail.php?id=1658

04-29-2007, 02:33 AM	#9
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Ron, I have two M2's. Serial numbers 2870 and 2871. Big Norm

04-29-2007, 02:44 AM	#10
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Luscioman, your magazine should not have a serial number on it. It will only have a small circled triangle on the wood bottom and that could be put in lightly. So look close. Big Norm

04-29-2007, 09:10 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Hey Norm, Consecutive numbers...that's neat! Are they similar in condition? Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-29-2007, 10:31 PM	#12
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Both guns look pretty good with 2870 being the better of the two. Very nice original strawing with only normal wear on the muzzle and side plate on that gun. The grip safety has the number 07 and so has the right grip. (right numbers, wrong sequence) Left grip not numbered. Matching four digit number under barrel and front of frame. 70 is on trigger and locking bolt. Light wear on grips. The 2871 gun shows little more wear on the straw and on the left rabbit ear under the thumb safety. All serial numbers on the metal of the gun are appropriate as is the left grip. The right grip has a small dent but checkering is good and the number on that one is 17. Right numbers, wrong sequence again. Neither of the guns has any pitting and the circled triangle proof mark is in the same location on both guns (left side of frame and under toggle lip on the rear of the gun). Original mags with both guns (no serial number, but proof marked). Very nice price of $2800 for both guns (including shipping) from Collectors Firearms in Houston, Texas in 2003. That was a good buy, even in those olden days. Big Norm

04-30-2007, 12:08 AM	#13
luscioman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 113 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	After checking this luger again there is one number located inside the frame near the take down lever and its 08. The left side grip was marked 36 and there was no marking on the firing pin.

05-01-2007, 01:50 AM	#14
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Luscioman, I didn't see a number where you mentioned in either of my guns. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong spot. I do have the appropriate two digit numbers on the locking lug of the receiver on both of my guns. Big Norm

05-01-2007, 08:34 PM	#15
luscioman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 113 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Big Norm I am 90% certain there is the "delta" mark on the mag. It is very faint and there are scratches near it but I can make it out. I will try to take a pic of it but it has proven to be very hard. I did actually pick this one up from the seller but only because I had to buy part of his collection.

05-02-2007, 05:28 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here are some photos from my M2...

05-05-2007, 05:30 PM	#17
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Could anyone post a picture showing the difference between a 1900, 1906 and a P-08 set of grips? Big Norm

05-06-2007, 09:34 PM	#18
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Norm, Thought you mastered the digital camera thing at the SOS dinner...how about posting up the grips on your # 2870 and # 2871...?