My P-08

TAUNTER · 04-27-2006, 10:06 AM

CAN ANY ONE TELL ME WHAT THIS GUN IS WORTH? MY GRANDFATHER GAVE IT TO ME. HE GOT IT IN W.W. 2 WHEN HE DROVE HITLERS TRAIN OUT OF BERLIN

Edward Tinker · 04-27-2006, 10:16 AM

Taunter, your message got cut off... Welcome to the forum!

You can edit your own message, see the icon that looks like pencil and paper.

Also, I moved this to the New Collectors area...

Was your grandfather Russian? As the US did not make it to Berlin till after the war? Or you meant literally after the war??

And using ALL CAPS is considered YELLING....

ed

this is the info we will need to help you:

Can you tell us any markings on the gun?

Proofs? (see on your left under tech information if you came through www.lugerforum.com ) Tell us what and where proofs and markings are located.

There are forms in this section, where you can print out and then write down pertinent information.

What serial number is on the gun? To include any letters next to or under the serial number?

What year or letters are stamped on the top of the receiver?

What initials or letters are on the toggle?

Can you provide pictures, to include side, top, etc?

TAUNTER · 04-27-2006, 10:57 AM

I hope these pictures work.

TAUNTER · 04-27-2006, 11:19 AM

Serial # 4140 u
no #'s on toggle and reciever

up side down eagle on barrel

part #'s 40

Edward Tinker · 04-27-2006, 11:36 AM

John, I can tell you a lot about your grandfathers luger!

It is a early mauser made in the early 1930's for the nazi's, but right at the end of the Weimar period. it has a "sear" safety added after 1932, sear safety's were only installed on "police" lugers.

It also appears to have the magazine safety, which was installed at the same time frame, but was found not to work correctly and were almost universally removed in 1937.

the blank receiver (no date) was correct for these guns. The toggle being blank, is commonly refered to as a "sneak", in the mistaken belief by collectors that the germans were hiding rearmenent from the allies, but that is likely untrue. it is better guessed that the toggle was not marked due to the switch over between DWM and Mauser...

The holster is a commercial one, or more likely a 1911A1 holster used for the luger, it is likely not one that was worn when the owner had the luger.

Value, to me is about $900-$1200.

Does the magazine match?

Do you have any paperwork that "allowed" your grandfather to bring it back (this is not needed, it was just needed to legally bring it back, this was not always done or the paperwork has been lost. This would have been done after the war).

Ed

Dwight Gruber · 04-27-2006, 01:04 PM

John,

This is a -very- nice Police Luger, congratulations on having an interesting example. Is there any chance of getting to see the marks under the barrel and the front of the frame? also a good sharp closeup of the right receiver marks?

--Dwight

Jan C Still · 04-27-2006, 01:24 PM

John
Your Luger, sn 4140u, was manufactured by DWM (BKIW) in about 1929. Most went to the Prussian State Police. See link below for additional information.
Jan
POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG Jan C Still http://72.36.207.250/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7570

Don M · 04-27-2006, 02:08 PM

John,

Does your Luger have any markings stamped on the front grip strap?

lugerholsterrepair · 04-27-2006, 02:27 PM

Do you have the magazine for cartridges? Jerrry Burney

04-27-2006, 10:06 AM	#1
TAUNTER New User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My P-08 CAN ANY ONE TELL ME WHAT THIS GUN IS WORTH? MY GRANDFATHER GAVE IT TO ME. HE GOT IT IN W.W. 2 WHEN HE DROVE HITLERS TRAIN OUT OF BERLIN

04-27-2006, 10:16 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Taunter, your message got cut off... Welcome to the forum! You can edit your own message, see the icon that looks like pencil and paper. Also, I moved this to the New Collectors area... Was your grandfather Russian? As the US did not make it to Berlin till after the war? Or you meant literally after the war?? And using ALL CAPS is considered YELLING.... ed this is the info we will need to help you: Can you tell us any markings on the gun? Proofs? (see on your left under tech information if you came through www.lugerforum.com ) Tell us what and where proofs and markings are located. There are forms in this section, where you can print out and then write down pertinent information. What serial number is on the gun? To include any letters next to or under the serial number? What year or letters are stamped on the top of the receiver? What initials or letters are on the toggle? Can you provide pictures, to include side, top, etc? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-27-2006, 10:57 AM	#3
TAUNTER New User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My P-08 I hope these pictures work.

04-27-2006, 11:36 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	John, I can tell you a lot about your grandfathers luger! It is a early mauser made in the early 1930's for the nazi's, but right at the end of the Weimar period. it has a "sear" safety added after 1932, sear safety's were only installed on "police" lugers. It also appears to have the magazine safety, which was installed at the same time frame, but was found not to work correctly and were almost universally removed in 1937. the blank receiver (no date) was correct for these guns. The toggle being blank, is commonly refered to as a "sneak", in the mistaken belief by collectors that the germans were hiding rearmenent from the allies, but that is likely untrue. it is better guessed that the toggle was not marked due to the switch over between DWM and Mauser... The holster is a commercial one, or more likely a 1911A1 holster used for the luger, it is likely not one that was worn when the owner had the luger. Value, to me is about $900-$1200. Does the magazine match? Do you have any paperwork that "allowed" your grandfather to bring it back (this is not needed, it was just needed to legally bring it back, this was not always done or the paperwork has been lost. This would have been done after the war). Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-27-2006, 02:08 PM	#8
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	John, Does your Luger have any markings stamped on the front grip strap? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

04-27-2006, 11:19 AM	#4
TAUNTER New User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Serial # 4140 u no #'s on toggle and reciever up side down eagle on barrel part #'s 40

04-27-2006, 01:04 PM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	John, This is a -very- nice Police Luger, congratulations on having an interesting example. Is there any chance of getting to see the marks under the barrel and the front of the frame? also a good sharp closeup of the right receiver marks? --Dwight

04-27-2006, 01:24 PM	#7
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	John Your Luger, sn 4140u, was manufactured by DWM (BKIW) in about 1929. Most went to the Prussian State Police. See link below for additional information. Jan POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG Jan C Still http://72.36.207.250/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7570

04-27-2006, 02:27 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,865 Thanked 3,105 Times in 1,429 Posts	Do you have the magazine for cartridges? Jerrry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."