help with oil bottle

charly239 · 02-25-2006, 05:59 PM

hallo all

pls look at this pic

the oil bottle on the right is this an autentic one from the ww1

if this is one ,who sells one ?

warm regards

charly

Pete Ebbink · 02-25-2006, 07:18 PM

These and other varieties come up on e-Bay from time to time.

Do a search for "gun oiler" and/or "antique gun oiler", etc...

drbuster · 02-25-2006, 08:06 PM

By the way, that photo appears to be of a prototype 5inch barrelled 1902 "fat barrel". And note it has a Swiss type disc magazine. I wonder what is stamped on its chamber? I also wonder what its serial number is.

Pete Ebbink · 02-26-2006, 12:45 PM

Doc,

This photo was seemingly "borrowed" from C. Whittaker's web site "Land-o-Borchardts"...

http://landofborchardt.com/

Click on the "Other Luger" menu tab...

It is serial # 10000 B...a prototype...

drbuster · 02-26-2006, 01:32 PM

I thought so!

charly239 · 02-26-2006, 04:44 PM

sorry

pic is from an austrian webside

Pete Ebbink · 03-10-2006, 11:23 PM

Charly,

My guess is that these nice little silver-pated gun oilers get added along the way by collectors...having one in a leather pouch is also nice. Or maybe some of the cased presentation lugers had them when sold as a cased set.

You see them from time to time at gun shows (usually on dealer set-up days only...) and on some of the auction sites.

I have been quitely picking them up when I can...usually for under $ 20 or so. Many show up on UK web sites...

Many are vintage oilers for fishing reels or sewing machines or typewriters...

Do a search on e-Bay for "oiler"...

Pete Ebbink · 07-29-2006, 12:04 PM

Here is a little collection of "oilers" I have picked up from time to time. Not really for lugers, but fun & cheap items to pick up.

The one in the top position of my photo will eventually go with a Swiss Navy luger I hope to own one day...

the gunman · 07-29-2006, 02:33 PM

Very nice neat little items Pete

Imperial Arms · 07-29-2006, 05:37 PM

The oil bottle with the leather sleeve shown at the beginning of the post will sometimes be found as an extra item in a cased Borchardt or cased M1900 Luger pistol. It was not actually an oil bottle supplied by Loewe or DWM, but it could be considered from the same period. Collectors like to expand their sets with various accessories from the same period.

There was also a German grease tin (in a leather sleeve) which can sometimes be found in cased Borchardts or cased M1900 Luger pistols. Such a grease tin is shown on page 51 of the book 'Luger: The Multinational Pistol'.

Pete, a great set of oilers, some of which I have in my collection. I like the oval oiler with the weave pattern. I skipped one on eBay because it had a small dent, but I shall eventually find one on eBay. You beat me on eBay for one of these oilers - I might have kill you (with a DWM 471 bullet)!!

If you are searching for an oil bottle for your display, consider a glass bottle of 3-in-1 oil which was very popular with hunters during the early 1900's. 3-in-l oil was sold as gun oil by famous retailers such as A&F, and I have a sealed bottle of such oil for my Luger Carbine display.

Good luck,
Albert

Pete Ebbink · 07-30-2006, 12:02 PM

Hi Albert,

I must have been lucky that day on e-Bay and caught you sleeping...

Honestly, I did not know we were competing for the same item.

The basket-weave one is one of my favorites. It goes with my 8" Heiser holster with its basket-weave pattern.

Imperial Arms · 07-30-2006, 04:41 PM

Hello Pete,

We have never bid against each other on an oiler, but I was just giving you a friendly warning (just joking).

I must have been sleeping when previous oilers with weave patterns were available on eBay, and I continue to keep my eyes open for one in excellent condition. Indeed, it is a very nice oiler to have with any Luger pistol/carbine.

I also appreciate your Eagle oiler even though I do not know much about it.

Cheers,
Albert

David Eash · 08-11-2006, 03:50 PM

The B 10000 prototype is C.Wittaker's the oil can & pouch are the real deal I'v never seen one for sale if you do youll pay 400.00 to 500.00 for it,
Regards Oeash

Pete Ebbink · 08-13-2006, 12:26 PM

This nice grouping was on e-Bay last week.

I tried but did not win the auction.

Pete Ebbink · 08-27-2006, 12:44 PM

David

Can you provide some documentation to support the "real deal" statement ?

I am not aware DWM issued oilers and have always assumed they were part of "put together" cases and rigs...

Ron Wood · 08-27-2006, 11:12 PM

Borchardts were sold by Loewe, and subsequently DWM, as cased sets, to include stock, holster, and accessories. The oilers on Chuck's site are the "real deal" for such a cased set.

DWM did not sell Lugers as cased sets, so you are correct that they are "put together".

Pete Ebbink · 09-10-2006, 09:42 PM

These little boogers keep replicating in my storage drawer :

02-25-2006, 05:59 PM	#1
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	help with oil bottle hallo all pls look at this pic the oil bottle on the right is this an autentic one from the ww1 if this is one ,who sells one ? warm regards charly Attached Thumbnails

08-27-2006, 11:12 PM	#16
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Borchardts were sold by Loewe, and subsequently DWM, as cased sets, to include stock, holster, and accessories. The oilers on Chuck's site are the "real deal" for such a cased set. DWM did not sell Lugers as cased sets, so you are correct that they are "put together". __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-25-2006, 07:18 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	These and other varieties come up on e-Bay from time to time. Do a search for "gun oiler" and/or "antique gun oiler", etc...

02-25-2006, 08:06 PM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	By the way, that photo appears to be of a prototype 5inch barrelled 1902 "fat barrel". And note it has a Swiss type disc magazine. I wonder what is stamped on its chamber? I also wonder what its serial number is.

02-26-2006, 12:45 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Doc, This photo was seemingly "borrowed" from C. Whittaker's web site "Land-o-Borchardts"... http://landofborchardt.com/ Click on the "Other Luger" menu tab... It is serial # 10000 B...a prototype...

02-26-2006, 01:32 PM	#5
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I thought so!

02-26-2006, 04:44 PM	#6
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	sorry pic is from an austrian webside

03-10-2006, 11:23 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Charly, My guess is that these nice little silver-pated gun oilers get added along the way by collectors...having one in a leather pouch is also nice. Or maybe some of the cased presentation lugers had them when sold as a cased set. You see them from time to time at gun shows (usually on dealer set-up days only...) and on some of the auction sites. I have been quitely picking them up when I can...usually for under $ 20 or so. Many show up on UK web sites... Many are vintage oilers for fishing reels or sewing machines or typewriters... Do a search on e-Bay for "oiler"...

07-29-2006, 12:04 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Here is a little collection of "oilers" I have picked up from time to time. Not really for lugers, but fun & cheap items to pick up. The one in the top position of my photo will eventually go with a Swiss Navy luger I hope to own one day...

07-29-2006, 02:33 PM	#9
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Very nice neat little items Pete

07-29-2006, 05:37 PM	#10
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	The oil bottle with the leather sleeve shown at the beginning of the post will sometimes be found as an extra item in a cased Borchardt or cased M1900 Luger pistol. It was not actually an oil bottle supplied by Loewe or DWM, but it could be considered from the same period. Collectors like to expand their sets with various accessories from the same period. There was also a German grease tin (in a leather sleeve) which can sometimes be found in cased Borchardts or cased M1900 Luger pistols. Such a grease tin is shown on page 51 of the book 'Luger: The Multinational Pistol'. Pete, a great set of oilers, some of which I have in my collection. I like the oval oiler with the weave pattern. I skipped one on eBay because it had a small dent, but I shall eventually find one on eBay. You beat me on eBay for one of these oilers - I might have kill you (with a DWM 471 bullet)!! If you are searching for an oil bottle for your display, consider a glass bottle of 3-in-1 oil which was very popular with hunters during the early 1900's. 3-in-l oil was sold as gun oil by famous retailers such as A&F, and I have a sealed bottle of such oil for my Luger Carbine display. Good luck, Albert

07-30-2006, 12:02 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Albert, I must have been lucky that day on e-Bay and caught you sleeping... Honestly, I did not know we were competing for the same item. The basket-weave one is one of my favorites. It goes with my 8" Heiser holster with its basket-weave pattern.

07-30-2006, 04:41 PM	#12
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Hello Pete, We have never bid against each other on an oiler, but I was just giving you a friendly warning (just joking). I must have been sleeping when previous oilers with weave patterns were available on eBay, and I continue to keep my eyes open for one in excellent condition. Indeed, it is a very nice oiler to have with any Luger pistol/carbine. I also appreciate your Eagle oiler even though I do not know much about it. Cheers, Albert

08-11-2006, 03:50 PM	#13
David Eash User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: md Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The B 10000 prototype is C.Wittaker's the oil can & pouch are the real deal I'v never seen one for sale if you do youll pay 400.00 to 500.00 for it, Regards Oeash

08-13-2006, 12:26 PM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	This nice grouping was on e-Bay last week. I tried but did not win the auction.

08-27-2006, 12:44 PM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	David Can you provide some documentation to support the "real deal" statement ? I am not aware DWM issued oilers and have always assumed they were part of "put together" cases and rigs...

09-10-2006, 09:42 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	These little boogers keep replicating in my storage drawer :