Grips and frame contour

Stu · 02-04-2006, 10:23 AM

I've been trying to find a pair of shooter grade wood grips for my refinished 1915 DWM artillery. I've bought a couple of original pairs here and there but they just don't fit the contour of the frame.

Did the shape change subtly at some point, and if so what years / makes should I target ?

I'm really looking to do this at minimal cost so new Nil Grif etc are out and the generally available repro's never seem to fit around the sideplate.

Anyone out there who has a fine tune screw for the front site that they'd be prepared to part with would round out the list of things I need to get this gun back to spec !

Any help much appreciated.

Stu

Ponyman · 02-04-2006, 10:57 AM

The reason the Nil Grips are expensive is that they FIT.....

Buying quality is like buying oats. If you want good oats, you must pay a fair price.
If you're willing to accept oats that have been through a horse, you can pay much less.

I bought some cheap grips, too. Got some horse s*** (ah, shoes - I meant to say SHOES :-) in my basement.....

Stu · 02-04-2006, 11:14 AM

Quite agree about the Nil's, I've a pair on my Thor restored Erfurt and they're streets ahead of the competition.

I'm really looking for somthing in the $50 range rather than $100 !

As I mentioned, I've bought some original grips and they just don't have the same contour, when placed against the top of the frame the bottom is just so far off center as to be unusable. Similarly, my VOPO and BYF grips exhibit the same characteristic. There does seem to be a slight difference to the frame shape. The one thing I don't have is a pair of known DWM grips from that era......

Hugh · 02-04-2006, 11:49 PM

There is a difference in the Mauser frame from the DWM & Erfurt. The frame is a few mm's wider.

Ponyman · 02-05-2006, 09:31 AM

Hugh, are you referring to pre-45 or 70's era Mauser? I know the 06/73 does not match the DWM. Are the early Mausers also different? Do they match the 06/73?

Lugerdoc · 02-06-2006, 11:17 AM

As I've said before, all new repro grips will be slightly oversized to compensate for the difference in frames and will need to be fitted. I you continue to have problems with these &/or original grips, I would check your frame for cracks. I once bought a luger to part out, whose frame was cracked and no grips other than those custom made for it would fit. TH

Herb · 02-06-2006, 01:12 PM

There is a decent set of 1917 Arties on Ebay right now, hard telling what the final price will be though..........

http://cgi.ebay.com/LUGER-WWI-Grips_...QQcmdZViewItem

Stu · 02-06-2006, 09:09 PM

Thanks for pointing them out Herb, I'll keep an eye on them and we'll see where they go. You never can tell nowadays, $35 or $350 !

Hugh · 02-06-2006, 11:59 PM

Stu,

I'm referring to WWII Mauser's ie S/42, byf, etc. The '70's Mausers are completely different from all wartime Lugers.

Vlim · 02-07-2006, 10:04 AM

To complicate matters further, the postwar Mausers have different grip designs amongst themselves

Ponyman · 02-09-2006, 10:14 AM

I can't imagine what the Mauser designers were thinking when they switched from the 29/70 grip to the 06/73. What reason could they have had for not restoring the original P08 grip profile?

02-04-2006, 10:23 AM	#1
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 451 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Grips and frame contour I've been trying to find a pair of shooter grade wood grips for my refinished 1915 DWM artillery. I've bought a couple of original pairs here and there but they just don't fit the contour of the frame. Did the shape change subtly at some point, and if so what years / makes should I target ? I'm really looking to do this at minimal cost so new Nil Grif etc are out and the generally available repro's never seem to fit around the sideplate. Anyone out there who has a fine tune screw for the front site that they'd be prepared to part with would round out the list of things I need to get this gun back to spec ! Any help much appreciated. Stu

02-04-2006, 10:57 AM	#2
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The reason the Nil Grips are expensive is that they FIT..... Buying quality is like buying oats. If you want good oats, you must pay a fair price. If you're willing to accept oats that have been through a horse, you can pay much less. I bought some cheap grips, too. Got some horse s*** (ah, shoes - I meant to say SHOES :-) in my basement..... __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

02-04-2006, 11:49 PM	#4
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	There is a difference in the Mauser frame from the DWM & Erfurt. The frame is a few mm's wider. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

02-05-2006, 09:31 AM	#5
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hugh, are you referring to pre-45 or 70's era Mauser? I know the 06/73 does not match the DWM. Are the early Mausers also different? Do they match the 06/73? __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

02-06-2006, 11:17 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	As I've said before, all new repro grips will be slightly oversized to compensate for the difference in frames and will need to be fitted. I you continue to have problems with these &/or original grips, I would check your frame for cracks. I once bought a luger to part out, whose frame was cracked and no grips other than those custom made for it would fit. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-04-2006, 11:14 AM	#3
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 451 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Quite agree about the Nil's, I've a pair on my Thor restored Erfurt and they're streets ahead of the competition. I'm really looking for somthing in the $50 range rather than $100 ! As I mentioned, I've bought some original grips and they just don't have the same contour, when placed against the top of the frame the bottom is just so far off center as to be unusable. Similarly, my VOPO and BYF grips exhibit the same characteristic. There does seem to be a slight difference to the frame shape. The one thing I don't have is a pair of known DWM grips from that era......

02-06-2006, 01:12 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There is a decent set of 1917 Arties on Ebay right now, hard telling what the final price will be though.......... http://cgi.ebay.com/LUGER-WWI-Grips_...QQcmdZViewItem __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-06-2006, 09:09 PM	#8
Stu User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 451 Thanks: 4 Thanked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Thanks for pointing them out Herb, I'll keep an eye on them and we'll see where they go. You never can tell nowadays, $35 or $350 !

02-06-2006, 11:59 PM	#9
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Stu, I'm referring to WWII Mauser's ie S/42, byf, etc. The '70's Mausers are completely different from all wartime Lugers. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

02-07-2006, 10:04 AM	#10
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,049 Thanks: 1,035 Thanked 3,957 Times in 1,200 Posts	To complicate matters further, the postwar Mausers have different grip designs amongst themselves

02-09-2006, 10:14 AM	#11
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I can't imagine what the Mauser designers were thinking when they switched from the 29/70 grip to the 06/73. What reason could they have had for not restoring the original P08 grip profile? __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams