Mp 40

12-17-2005, 04:44 PM

Just got a MP 40 Wilson tube Class 3. Which end of the carry sling goes on which end of the MP 40. Does anyone know the rate of fire for this gun. Any and all info on MP 40's would be appreciated.
Richard

stymie · 12-17-2005, 06:46 PM

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MP40 Machine Pistol

Operation: Fully Automatic
Caliber: 9mm (.354 in)
Muzzle Velocity: 380 mps (1,247 fps)
Capacity: 32-round magazine
Weight: 3.97 kg (8.7 lbs)
Overall Length: 83.2 cm (32.75 in, with stock extended)
Rate of Fire: 500 rounds per minute
Effective Range: 100m (110yds)

Here's a pic of the sling on BACKWARDS... lol

stymie · 12-17-2005, 07:30 PM

Here's a little history on one of its predecessors:

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/january.htm

KOOL guns
Sweet shooters!

12-17-2005, 09:21 PM

Thanks, I will put the sling on tonight.

Steinar · 12-19-2005, 05:50 AM

Is the sling of the type where the head and right hand goes trough the loop near the "stock"?

John Sabato · 12-19-2005, 07:22 AM

Check the homepage for the links to Gerard Henrotin's ebooks. He is the guy who did the animation of the Luger on our front page. I am pretty sure he has done and ebook on the MP-40. They are very inexpensive and great graphics and information.

P. J. Heck · 12-24-2005, 07:53 PM

Glad to see this bit of info become available. I, too, cant figure it out from just looking at the marks on the sling leather.........

12-24-2005, 08:08 PM

My sling is marked MP38 and MP 40 and looks a lot like a K98k sling without the tab on the end. It has the cross hatching. I am fairly sure it is a reproduciton althought sold as an original. I came with the MP 40. I fired the gun a few days ago while on a deer hunt (not at a deer) and it worked well.

Navy · 12-25-2005, 12:14 AM

Hi RGARRETT

My Dad, who is *barely* still around, used to tell tales of soldiers shooting axis deer (not a political viewpoint but a biological taxonomy) with grease guns and BARs in the Ardinne. He said that the hardest part was to convince GI's to shoot sparingly, lest much meat be lost. He was not very successful.

Tom A

lugerholsterrepair · 12-25-2005, 12:03 PM

Richard, Stymie shows the forward sling keeper on the left side. It is forced to the right on MP40's I have seen by a bar in the sling ring. This makes no sense to me, as put on the supposed correct way, the sling crosses in front of the ejection port. One has to wonder.
This is one of the sexiest weapons the Germans had and is very well made. Like the Thompson, a little on the heavy side. Jerry Burney

P. J. Heck · 12-25-2005, 08:26 PM

Here is my C & R MP 40 w/its C & R sling. I found the sling after the above picture was posted. I finally got it on after several false starts. Has anyone been able to determine if THIS is correct???????

P. J. Heck · 12-26-2005, 01:54 PM

Here we go again on the pictures problems.........What happened in the above attempt??????? Got it but I dont know how!!!!!!! Where is 'return'?? I found 'enter' on my keyboard, but no 'return'?????

Edward Tinker · 12-26-2005, 03:09 PM

you cut off part of the url.. Heck, just add a return / enter and put a paragraph marking inbetween each one.

Ed

P. J. Heck · 12-26-2005, 03:20 PM

Ed, just re-occurred to me that I dont have a Simson..............Know of anything??????

Edward Tinker · 12-26-2005, 03:25 PM

I do know of a few, but depends on how picky you want. There are two on gunbroker.com right now, one a reblue, the other I think the price is too high but nice looking.

The reblue is okay looking, and the other, I don't like how the toggle is stamped, but overall is nice.

Simson's you don't find too often, they are as rare as Krieghoff's, as the number is the same that were made. I have been looking hard on sites for examples the last 6 to 8 months, and bought two from friends, the other from a tip from a fellow collector.

I am looking for a "S" toggle simson, but you will run across about 4 times as many Simson & Co toggles as you will S toggles.

Ed

P. J. Heck · 12-26-2005, 09:36 PM

I think I prefer the full logo. How many different toggle markings are there????? I guess I should have a K date too..........I agree on your assessment of toggle stamping. Wont suit me at all. I will check FGS soon as I finish this comment......

12-27-2005, 12:41 PM

I have to think that the picture by P. J. Heck is correct. The sling on the left side and the metal keeper on the forward end.

Steinar · 12-27-2005, 01:09 PM

The sling is very much alike the one we use on A3 rifles here in Norway. Put the head and right arm trough the loop and adjust it with the metal keeper.
If you are skiing or "on alert" it's a great way to carry a rifle.. I think the picture by Stymie is right. (If the sling is long enough to carry it that way)

stymie · 03-03-2006, 08:58 PM

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Date Posted: 03/03/2006

Price: $16,000

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German WWII GI bringback. 100% original, matching serial numbers and markings on parts. see pictures on website. NOT a reweld or tubegun.
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Ralph Merrill is a pretty good guy!

P. J. Heck · 03-03-2006, 09:45 PM

Have made an offer on the above gun. .........Also suspect the forward end of the sling is on the wrong side here as there is a remote possibility of it obstructing the ejection port, causing an empty to bounce back into the opening and causing the obvious jam..........not very probable but maybe possible.............

12-17-2005, 04:44 PM	#1
RGARRETT Guest Posts: n/a	Mp 40 Just got a MP 40 Wilson tube Class 3. Which end of the carry sling goes on which end of the MP 40. Does anyone know the rate of fire for this gun. Any and all info on MP 40's would be appreciated. Richard

12-17-2005, 06:46 PM	#2
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Check out these listings: http://www.gunbooksales.com/machineguns.htm MP40 Machine Pistol Operation: Fully Automatic Caliber: 9mm (.354 in) Muzzle Velocity: 380 mps (1,247 fps) Capacity: 32-round magazine Weight: 3.97 kg (8.7 lbs) Overall Length: 83.2 cm (32.75 in, with stock extended) Rate of Fire: 500 rounds per minute Effective Range: 100m (110yds) Here's a pic of the sling on BACKWARDS... lol Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

12-17-2005, 07:30 PM	#3
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here's a little history on one of its predecessors: http://www.smallarmsreview.com/january.htm KOOL guns Sweet shooters! __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

12-19-2005, 05:50 AM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Is the sling of the type where the head and right hand goes trough the loop near the "stock"? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

12-19-2005, 07:22 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Check the homepage for the links to Gerard Henrotin's ebooks. He is the guy who did the animation of the Luger on our front page. I am pretty sure he has done and ebook on the MP-40. They are very inexpensive and great graphics and information. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-17-2005, 09:21 PM	#4
RGARRETT Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks, I will put the sling on tonight.

12-24-2005, 07:53 PM	#7
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Glad to see this bit of info become available. I, too, cant figure it out from just looking at the marks on the sling leather......... __________________ There are no bad guns!

12-24-2005, 08:08 PM	#8
RGARRETT Guest Posts: n/a	My sling is marked MP38 and MP 40 and looks a lot like a K98k sling without the tab on the end. It has the cross hatching. I am fairly sure it is a reproduciton althought sold as an original. I came with the MP 40. I fired the gun a few days ago while on a deer hunt (not at a deer) and it worked well.

12-25-2005, 12:14 AM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi RGARRETT My Dad, who is barely still around, used to tell tales of soldiers shooting axis deer (not a political viewpoint but a biological taxonomy) with grease guns and BARs in the Ardinne. He said that the hardest part was to convince GI's to shoot sparingly, lest much meat be lost. He was not very successful. Tom A

12-25-2005, 12:03 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	Richard, Stymie shows the forward sling keeper on the left side. It is forced to the right on MP40's I have seen by a bar in the sling ring. This makes no sense to me, as put on the supposed correct way, the sling crosses in front of the ejection port. One has to wonder. This is one of the sexiest weapons the Germans had and is very well made. Like the Thompson, a little on the heavy side. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-25-2005, 08:26 PM	#11
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MP 40 sling Here is my C & R MP 40 w/its C & R sling. I found the sling after the above picture was posted. I finally got it on after several false starts. Has anyone been able to determine if THIS is correct??????? __________________ There are no bad guns!

12-26-2005, 01:54 PM	#12
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	MP-40 sling installation Here we go again on the pictures problems.........What happened in the above attempt??????? Got it but I dont know how!!!!!!! Where is 'return'?? I found 'enter' on my keyboard, but no 'return'????? __________________ There are no bad guns!

12-26-2005, 03:09 PM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	you cut off part of the url.. Heck, just add a return / enter and put a paragraph marking inbetween each one. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-26-2005, 03:20 PM	#14
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed, just re-occurred to me that I dont have a Simson..............Know of anything?????? __________________ There are no bad guns!

12-26-2005, 03:25 PM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	I do know of a few, but depends on how picky you want. There are two on gunbroker.com right now, one a reblue, the other I think the price is too high but nice looking. The reblue is okay looking, and the other, I don't like how the toggle is stamped, but overall is nice. Simson's you don't find too often, they are as rare as Krieghoff's, as the number is the same that were made. I have been looking hard on sites for examples the last 6 to 8 months, and bought two from friends, the other from a tip from a fellow collector. I am looking for a "S" toggle simson, but you will run across about 4 times as many Simson & Co toggles as you will S toggles. Ed

12-26-2005, 09:36 PM	#16
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	s I think I prefer the full logo. How many different toggle markings are there????? I guess I should have a K date too..........I agree on your assessment of toggle stamping. Wont suit me at all. I will check FGS soon as I finish this comment...... __________________ There are no bad guns!

12-27-2005, 12:41 PM	#17
RGARRETT Guest Posts: n/a	I have to think that the picture by P. J. Heck is correct. The sling on the left side and the metal keeper on the forward end.

12-27-2005, 01:09 PM	#18
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	The sling is very much alike the one we use on A3 rifles here in Norway. Put the head and right arm trough the loop and adjust it with the metal keeper. If you are skiing or "on alert" it's a great way to carry a rifle.. I think the picture by Stymie is right. (If the sling is long enough to carry it that way) __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

03-03-2006, 08:58 PM	#19
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I came across this C&R gun at subguns.com Temporary Link: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/i...uery=retrieval FOR SALE: MP40 - WWII GI bringback Expires On: 06/01/2006 Ad Information Ad Number: 7598 Date Posted: 03/03/2006 Price: $16,000 Text of Ad German WWII GI bringback. 100% original, matching serial numbers and markings on parts. see pictures on website. NOT a reweld or tubegun. Contact Information Name: Ralph Merrill Street Address: 270 West 500 North City: North Salt Lake State/Province: Utah Zip/Postal Code: 84054 Country: USA Telephone Number: 801-295-1917 E-Mail Address: vectorarms@bbscmail.com Web Site URL: http://www.vectorarms.com/indexframe.html Ralph Merrill is a pretty good guy! __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

03-03-2006, 09:45 PM	#20
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Have made an offer on the above gun. .........Also suspect the forward end of the sling is on the wrong side here as there is a remote possibility of it obstructing the ejection port, causing an empty to bounce back into the opening and causing the obvious jam..........not very probable but maybe possible............. __________________ There are no bad guns!