Alphabet Commercial Survey

Dwight Gruber · 10-31-2005, 10:20 AM

If I remember correctly, in 1923 the U.S. import laws changed from requiring imported objects be marked GERMANY to being marked MADE IN GERMANY. I have decided to expand the Commercial serial number database to include the Alphabet Commercial series looking for this feature particularly, to see if it provides a data point to help refine the production dates of these guns.

So, dust off your Alphabet Commercials please, and send me the following information:

serial number (full, with suffix)

GERMANY, MADE IN GERMANY, or NO export mark

caliber

serial numbers, hidden or exposed

commercial proof?

Also note any noteworthy features, i.e. if it has a barrel other than 3 3/4 in; if it is a Police gun; if so what the unit mark is (if present); if it has any kind of right-receiver acceptance mark; etc. Also, be sure to check your John Martz conversions, as he commonly utilizes Alphabet Commercials as donor guns.

As usual, please post the information here or send it to me at dwightg@pacifier.com. I know there are a lot of these guns out there, I very much appreciate all of you taking the time to check out your Lugers and pass the information on.

--Dwight

Edward Tinker · 10-31-2005, 01:41 PM

Dwight, either tonight or tomorrow, I will pull everything out and respond to a couple of questions you asked.

ed

wlyon · 10-31-2005, 07:49 PM

Dwight. 1. S/N 8032 o , marked Germany, 7.65, C/N proofed, Comm,ercial serial number placement. 2. S/N 8025 i ,marked Germany, 7.65, C/N proofed, commercial serial number placement, Kreighoff Suhl marked on back frame. If you need any more informatiopn just ask. Bill

Dwight Gruber · 11-01-2005, 11:06 PM

Bill, thanks much.

--Dwight

10-31-2005, 10:20 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Alphabet Commercial Survey If I remember correctly, in 1923 the U.S. import laws changed from requiring imported objects be marked GERMANY to being marked MADE IN GERMANY. I have decided to expand the Commercial serial number database to include the Alphabet Commercial series looking for this feature particularly, to see if it provides a data point to help refine the production dates of these guns. So, dust off your Alphabet Commercials please, and send me the following information: serial number (full, with suffix) GERMANY, MADE IN GERMANY, or NO export mark caliber serial numbers, hidden or exposed commercial proof? Also note any noteworthy features, i.e. if it has a barrel other than 3 3/4 in; if it is a Police gun; if so what the unit mark is (if present); if it has any kind of right-receiver acceptance mark; etc. Also, be sure to check your John Martz conversions, as he commonly utilizes Alphabet Commercials as donor guns. As usual, please post the information here or send it to me at dwightg@pacifier.com. I know there are a lot of these guns out there, I very much appreciate all of you taking the time to check out your Lugers and pass the information on. --Dwight

10-31-2005, 01:41 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Dwight, either tonight or tomorrow, I will pull everything out and respond to a couple of questions you asked. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-31-2005, 07:49 PM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Dwight. 1. S/N 8032 o , marked Germany, 7.65, C/N proofed, Comm,ercial serial number placement. 2. S/N 8025 i ,marked Germany, 7.65, C/N proofed, commercial serial number placement, Kreighoff Suhl marked on back frame. If you need any more informatiopn just ask. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-01-2005, 11:06 PM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Bill, thanks much. --Dwight