1912 Dwm

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2005, 06:50 PM

This is a new 1912 DWM I got today, it has the hold open added, is all matching, including grips, and has an unfluted firing pin and unrelieved sear bar!

It is in the military manner for serial number placement, and the witness mark is right on.

I don't have a 1912, either military or police, so intend on keeping this one.

I also bought an 8 inch 30 Luger shooter, and I noticed the barrel hole diameter was the same size, so assumed it wasn't a 30, but a 9mm. I got a 30 luger cartridge and it fits into the barrel and a 9mm doesn't.

lugerholsterrepair · 08-25-2005, 09:30 PM

Ed, Really great! Better send the grips to Hugh Clark...Is that the carpet they put in your house? Must be in the bedroom.....Jerry

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2005, 09:31 PM

hand-towel in the kitchen, I had to warsh it before Terry got home, as I kind of cleaned both luggers on it!

ed

Luke · 08-25-2005, 09:34 PM

Ed,

Congratulations on your 1912 DWM. As I am sure you know, not many of these were manufactured . . . about 10,000 according to "Imperial Lugers."

I can't comment on the effect of relining, but I did take note of the serial number and the fact that it is marked in the military convention, not the commercial. I have added it to my 1911 - 1912 database. Thanks.

Luke

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2005, 09:37 PM

I didn't have your e-mail Luke (new computer), or I'd sent you the info direct!

Have you gotten closer on when they went from comm to military markings?

ed

Ron Smith · 08-25-2005, 09:47 PM

Yo Ed, Not a bad looking 1912. I have to tell you the towel sucks though.

Don't understand what you are trying to say. Is the 8" shooter a .30 and you thought it was a 9mm? Are you thinking of having relined to a 9mm? Or is it shot out?? Whut!!!??

Ron

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ron Smith
Yo Ed, Don't understand what you are trying to say. Is the 8" shooter a .30 and you thought it was a 9mm? Are you thinking of having relined to a 9mm? Or is it shot out?? Whut!!!?? Ron

The 8 inch is a 30 luger, I knew that, ahead of time.

This 1912, well, usually they are 9mm right?

So, when I saw that the bore diameter was the same as on the 8 inch, it was one of two things? Either the 8 inch was a 9mm or the 1912 was a 30 luger, so I checked them out.

Ed

drbuster · 08-25-2005, 11:20 PM

Ed, thanks for the "heads up" on your 1912. Luke is right on, this is a representative of the rarest DWM P.08 military. Congratulations! What does the bottom of the magazine look like? Didn't the switch from large perpendicular numbers to smaller parallel numbers occur in 1912, or was it 1913?

Edward Tinker · 08-25-2005, 11:24 PM

I meant to take a picture Doc, it is a wood bottom, and has 1515 lightly stamped (or lightly left from years of use). The numbers are left to right.

I told RW that I'd keep it, as you don't run into 1912's very often, wish it wasn't a reline, but he'd given me a good price, so what the heck.

Ed

Ron Smith · 08-26-2005, 11:06 AM

Ed, Are you absolutely positive that it is relined? Got a good clear closeup photo of the muzzle?

Ron

Dwight Gruber · 08-26-2005, 11:26 AM

Doc,

Switch to small, crosswise magazine numbers was 1912 production.

--Dwight

Luke · 08-26-2005, 12:17 PM

Dwight -

That answer leads to another interesting question. When did the changeover actually occur? Was it at the beginning of 1912 of during the 1912 production run?

I have a low serial number 1912 DWM (787) but do not have the matching magazine. This one came with an Erfurt magazine; not much help.

Anyone have a 1912 DWM, low serial number, matching magazine?

Luke

08-25-2005, 06:50 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	1912 Dwm This is a new 1912 DWM I got today, it has the hold open added, is all matching, including grips, and has an unfluted firing pin and unrelieved sear bar! It is in the military manner for serial number placement, and the witness mark is right on. I don't have a 1912, either military or police, so intend on keeping this one. I also bought an 8 inch 30 Luger shooter, and I noticed the barrel hole diameter was the same size, so assumed it wasn't a 30, but a 9mm. I got a 30 luger cartridge and it fits into the barrel and a 9mm doesn't.

08-25-2005, 09:30 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Ed, Really great! Better send the grips to Hugh Clark...Is that the carpet they put in your house? Must be in the bedroom.....Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-25-2005, 09:34 PM	#4
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Ed, Congratulations on your 1912 DWM. As I am sure you know, not many of these were manufactured . . . about 10,000 according to "Imperial Lugers." I can't comment on the effect of relining, but I did take note of the serial number and the fact that it is marked in the military convention, not the commercial. I have added it to my 1911 - 1912 database. Thanks. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

08-25-2005, 09:47 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Yo Ed, Not a bad looking 1912. I have to tell you the towel sucks though. Don't understand what you are trying to say. Is the 8" shooter a .30 and you thought it was a 9mm? Are you thinking of having relined to a 9mm? Or is it shot out?? Whut!!!?? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-25-2005, 11:24 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I meant to take a picture Doc, it is a wood bottom, and has 1515 lightly stamped (or lightly left from years of use). The numbers are left to right. I told RW that I'd keep it, as you don't run into 1912's very often, wish it wasn't a reline, but he'd given me a good price, so what the heck. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-25-2005, 09:31 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	hand-towel in the kitchen, I had to warsh it before Terry got home, as I kind of cleaned both luggers on it! ed

08-25-2005, 09:37 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I didn't have your e-mail Luke (new computer), or I'd sent you the info direct! Have you gotten closer on when they went from comm to military markings? ed

08-25-2005, 11:20 PM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Ed, thanks for the "heads up" on your 1912. Luke is right on, this is a representative of the rarest DWM P.08 military. Congratulations! What does the bottom of the magazine look like? Didn't the switch from large perpendicular numbers to smaller parallel numbers occur in 1912, or was it 1913?

08-26-2005, 11:06 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, Are you absolutely positive that it is relined? Got a good clear closeup photo of the muzzle? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-26-2005, 11:26 AM	#11
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Doc, Switch to small, crosswise magazine numbers was 1912 production. --Dwight

08-26-2005, 12:17 PM	#12
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Dwight - That answer leads to another interesting question. When did the changeover actually occur? Was it at the beginning of 1912 of during the 1912 production run? I have a low serial number 1912 DWM (787) but do not have the matching magazine. This one came with an Erfurt magazine; not much help. Anyone have a 1912 DWM, low serial number, matching magazine? Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther