Have you ever considered?

thegundude · 01-25-2005, 09:32 PM

I've noticed that matching serial number mags are somewhat rare. Not exactly unheard of or anything, but it doesn't seem to be the norm and doesn't stop most sales. So, that got me thinking....

What happended to those other mags? And is it possible to find the one that matches your old one?

Maybe way out of coincidence, but what are your experiences with that. Have you ever gotten another Luger and found the mag to another one you own?

How cool would that be?

Lugerdoc · 01-26-2005, 07:42 AM

IMHO there are only two (perhaps 3 for Navys) magazines ever made that are truely matching for any military luger, when you consider type of construction, proofing, size & style of numbers and suffix lettering. Police lugers are the exception, as the police added newer type mags with only the numbers, as needed during the life of the luger. TH

Edward Tinker · 01-26-2005, 09:26 AM

Steve this is a hobby unto itself. There are many, if not most of the collectors, that scan on e-bay for numbers. And in fact, there is a listing here on the forum of people offereing to trade their extra for matching mags.

Don Hallock has put out a list for years on this subject. So, yes, it does happen that people come across one, but rare. Same with people looking for a "part" to try and make their gun "look" right. To be truely matching, like Tom said, it has to match exact lettering, size, model (i.e. DWM, Mauser, erfurt all look a bit different)...

Many folks are happy if they can match up the same suffix number or acceptance numbers.

Ed

thegundude · 01-26-2005, 07:05 PM

Oddly, I'm not surprised. It seems that every possible niche has been thought out so thoroughly that no matter what aspect you look at it from, there's a market.

I guess I'll probably occupy a lot of time looking for mine too..... :-P

Frank · 01-26-2005, 08:56 PM

Ed, Tom (Lugerdoc) is right on the money regards construction, numeral size, letter style and Waffenamt Marks. If you know Military Mauser Magazines it is possible to identify the type of Luger that it was shipped with, except for the transition areas, then it's either one or the other.

Every Luger Nut wants to find pistols with the matching magazine(s). Next, he wants to find a matching magazine for his Luger. It's tough to find Lugers with matching magazines and close to impossible to find a matching magazine for a Luger that didn't already have one.

I have coined a term that I call "Proper Magazine". That is a magazine with the proper body for the magazine that was shipped with the Luger, it has the proper Waffenamt Mark for the one shipped with the Luger, it has the same suffix letter as the Luger and I'll try to get as close to the number as possible. Even this can be tough, but in time it'll happen.

thegundude · 01-27-2005, 09:04 AM

So where does one start looking for the matching mags?

Frank · 01-27-2005, 11:15 AM

Steve, the only places I know are here on the Luger Forum, Jan Still's Luger Forum and as Ed already said, Don Hallock.

There are also Luger Magazines that are auctioned on eBay, gun shows and the like.

Don Hallock has a catalog of many many magazines, but I have a hunch very few matches have ever been found. I think it's easier to find a needle in a haystack or winning the Powerball.

I have come as close as 7, 100 and 256 difference in number, but most of my Proper Magazines are greater than 300 off.

Good Luck!!

Edward Tinker · 01-27-2005, 12:28 PM

hmmmm, my posting must have been invisible, cuz I thought I said that gundude?

thegundude · 01-27-2005, 12:50 PM

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to seem dense, its just that I've never heard of Don Hallock or Jan Still. Heck, the only Luger I've ever held was this weekend at the gunshow. I'm still waiting for Alf to get back from wherever he went and ship it to me. Assuming he got my C&R FFL that is.... He's on the "Left Coast"...... :-P

I'll look into the Luger periodicals (I almost wrote "magazines" twice but I didn't want to further confuse the sentence) for matching magazines.

Edward Tinker · 01-27-2005, 02:40 PM

Steve, was in a hurry (in class all week, maybe I should just pay attention to the class

).

Don Hallock has kept a list up for years, you look up and try to find a missing mag for your gun. I have never found a match, but its fun to try.

Jan Still has written five books on the Luger and Axis pistols, I feel his are the best books around for overall info, pictures, etc.

Ed

thegundude · 01-27-2005, 07:56 PM

Thanks Ed. I'll pop on over to Amazon.com and do a little book shopping....

tudorbug · 01-28-2005, 09:39 AM

I have a copy of Don Halleck's list of luger magazines.

If you will tell me the details on your luger (Manufacturer, year of manufacture, serial number and letter suffix if there is a suffix, I'll be happy to look at the list and tell you if it has a match included.

David

thegundude · 01-28-2005, 03:23 PM

David,

If you want to see the pictures, it's listed in the "for sale" section titled "FS 1939 42 code". The serial number is 3209, it's a 42 code and was has a 1939 date on it. The mag it comes with has a 6911 serial number....

Thanks a million for any and all help you can give me. I know it's a long shot, but I've made a few long shots in my time.... :-)

Thanks again,

tudorbug · 01-29-2005, 10:07 AM

Steve:

It's the usual negative report. Don's magazine list has no magazines showing for any 3209 serial numbered 1939 S42 luger, regardless of suffix.

The odds are always terrible with these quests, but it never hurts to look.

Btw, my list is about a year old. I have not heard that Don has issued an update.

David

i8tokyo · 01-29-2005, 11:17 AM

I sent Don an e-mail requesting a list several days ago, but have yet to recieve a reply. Does anyone know a better way to contact him? I am looking for a fxo 37 magazine with the number 2303 on it. The suffix is t but I am certain that it will not be available, as this was a war trophy and did not have it with it when captured. So 2303 with any suffix would do for my needs. Thanks to all for any and all information you may have to offer. Best, Don

thegundude · 01-29-2005, 02:52 PM

Thanks for trying David... :-)

tudorbug · 02-02-2005, 09:06 AM

Don:

I looked at Mr. Halleck's magazine list. I see no entry for an fxo 37 2303 magazine with any suffix whatever.

I'm sorry for the negative report.

Again, this list is about a year old.

David

Hoyt Weathers · 08-04-2005, 01:30 PM

Is there a site for Mr. Halleck's magazine list?

Hoyt WeathersIs there a site for Mr. Halleck's magazine list?

Hoyt Weathers

ahab@hiwaay.net

Edward Tinker · 08-04-2005, 01:48 PM

No, he only does a hard copy version.

Ed

Hoyt Weathers · 08-04-2005, 01:53 PM

Is the book only available from him or do book sellers have it?
I will search on Amazon for it.

Hoyt Weathers

01-25-2005, 09:32 PM	#1
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Have you ever considered? I've noticed that matching serial number mags are somewhat rare. Not exactly unheard of or anything, but it doesn't seem to be the norm and doesn't stop most sales. So, that got me thinking.... What happended to those other mags? And is it possible to find the one that matches your old one? Maybe way out of coincidence, but what are your experiences with that. Have you ever gotten another Luger and found the mag to another one you own? How cool would that be? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-26-2005, 07:42 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	IMHO there are only two (perhaps 3 for Navys) magazines ever made that are truely matching for any military luger, when you consider type of construction, proofing, size & style of numbers and suffix lettering. Police lugers are the exception, as the police added newer type mags with only the numbers, as needed during the life of the luger. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-26-2005, 09:26 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Steve this is a hobby unto itself. There are many, if not most of the collectors, that scan on e-bay for numbers. And in fact, there is a listing here on the forum of people offereing to trade their extra for matching mags. Don Hallock has put out a list for years on this subject. So, yes, it does happen that people come across one, but rare. Same with people looking for a "part" to try and make their gun "look" right. To be truely matching, like Tom said, it has to match exact lettering, size, model (i.e. DWM, Mauser, erfurt all look a bit different)... Many folks are happy if they can match up the same suffix number or acceptance numbers. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-26-2005, 07:05 PM	#4
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Oddly, I'm not surprised. It seems that every possible niche has been thought out so thoroughly that no matter what aspect you look at it from, there's a market. I guess I'll probably occupy a lot of time looking for mine too..... :-P __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-27-2005, 09:04 AM	#6
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	So where does one start looking for the matching mags? __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-26-2005, 08:56 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Ed, Tom (Lugerdoc) is right on the money regards construction, numeral size, letter style and Waffenamt Marks. If you know Military Mauser Magazines it is possible to identify the type of Luger that it was shipped with, except for the transition areas, then it's either one or the other. Every Luger Nut wants to find pistols with the matching magazine(s). Next, he wants to find a matching magazine for his Luger. It's tough to find Lugers with matching magazines and close to impossible to find a matching magazine for a Luger that didn't already have one. I have coined a term that I call "Proper Magazine". That is a magazine with the proper body for the magazine that was shipped with the Luger, it has the proper Waffenamt Mark for the one shipped with the Luger, it has the same suffix letter as the Luger and I'll try to get as close to the number as possible. Even this can be tough, but in time it'll happen.

01-27-2005, 11:15 AM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Steve, the only places I know are here on the Luger Forum, Jan Still's Luger Forum and as Ed already said, Don Hallock. There are also Luger Magazines that are auctioned on eBay, gun shows and the like. Don Hallock has a catalog of many many magazines, but I have a hunch very few matches have ever been found. I think it's easier to find a needle in a haystack or winning the Powerball. I have come as close as 7, 100 and 256 difference in number, but most of my Proper Magazines are greater than 300 off. Good Luck!!

01-27-2005, 12:28 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	hmmmm, my posting must have been invisible, cuz I thought I said that gundude? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-27-2005, 12:50 PM	#9
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Sorry guys, I didn't mean to seem dense, its just that I've never heard of Don Hallock or Jan Still. Heck, the only Luger I've ever held was this weekend at the gunshow. I'm still waiting for Alf to get back from wherever he went and ship it to me. Assuming he got my C&R FFL that is.... He's on the "Left Coast"...... :-P I'll look into the Luger periodicals (I almost wrote "magazines" twice but I didn't want to further confuse the sentence) for matching magazines. __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-27-2005, 02:40 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Steve, was in a hurry (in class all week, maybe I should just pay attention to the class ). Don Hallock has kept a list up for years, you look up and try to find a missing mag for your gun. I have never found a match, but its fun to try. Jan Still has written five books on the Luger and Axis pistols, I feel his are the best books around for overall info, pictures, etc. Ed

01-27-2005, 07:56 PM	#11
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks Ed. I'll pop on over to Amazon.com and do a little book shopping.... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-28-2005, 09:39 AM	#12
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	I have a copy of Don Halleck's list of luger magazines. If you will tell me the details on your luger (Manufacturer, year of manufacture, serial number and letter suffix if there is a suffix, I'll be happy to look at the list and tell you if it has a match included. David

01-28-2005, 03:23 PM	#13
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	David, If you want to see the pictures, it's listed in the "for sale" section titled "FS 1939 42 code". The serial number is 3209, it's a 42 code and was has a 1939 date on it. The mag it comes with has a 6911 serial number.... Thanks a million for any and all help you can give me. I know it's a long shot, but I've made a few long shots in my time.... :-) Thanks again, __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

01-29-2005, 10:07 AM	#14
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Steve: It's the usual negative report. Don's magazine list has no magazines showing for any 3209 serial numbered 1939 S42 luger, regardless of suffix. The odds are always terrible with these quests, but it never hurts to look. Btw, my list is about a year old. I have not heard that Don has issued an update. David

01-29-2005, 11:17 AM	#15
i8tokyo User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Olathe KS Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I sent Don an e-mail requesting a list several days ago, but have yet to recieve a reply. Does anyone know a better way to contact him? I am looking for a fxo 37 magazine with the number 2303 on it. The suffix is t but I am certain that it will not be available, as this was a war trophy and did not have it with it when captured. So 2303 with any suffix would do for my needs. Thanks to all for any and all information you may have to offer. Best, Don __________________ Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8

01-29-2005, 02:52 PM	#16
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for trying David... :-) __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

02-02-2005, 09:06 AM	#17
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Don: I looked at Mr. Halleck's magazine list. I see no entry for an fxo 37 2303 magazine with any suffix whatever. I'm sorry for the negative report. Again, this list is about a year old. David

08-04-2005, 01:30 PM	#18
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is there a site for Mr. Halleck's magazine list? Hoyt WeathersIs there a site for Mr. Halleck's magazine list? Hoyt Weathers ahab@hiwaay.net

08-04-2005, 01:48 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	No, he only does a hard copy version. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-04-2005, 01:53 PM	#20
Hoyt Weathers User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Trinity, Alabama Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is the book only available from him or do book sellers have it? I will search on Amazon for it. Hoyt Weathers