Mannlicher Schoenauer MCA

Doug G. · 01-02-2005, 08:24 PM

Just bought my first MS rifle. It is the 1950 model in .270 with full stock. All I can say is it is the highest quality rifle I have owned! Bolt is silky smooth and my first group was under 1/2" @ 100 yards with a 3x Lyman All American scope.

Any others here own these fine rifles? Will post pics if anyone is interested.

Edward Tinker · 01-02-2005, 08:42 PM

I do not, but would like to see pics Doug

Ron Smith · 01-02-2005, 09:51 PM

Hey Doug,
I love em. Please post photos.

Ron

Doug G. · 01-02-2005, 10:38 PM

From what I've seem on the web. It appears that the stock is either a replacement or has been drastically altered. As well as it shot it will be replaced with some high-grade wood for sure!

I just love the reticle in this scope! It is a Lyman All American 3x.

Group measures just 13/16" @ 100 yards. Remington 130 gr factory loads.

Ron Smith · 01-02-2005, 10:55 PM

Doug,
The stock appears to be a quality custom, or a special order. I have never seen an English straight wrist on one before. How is the wood to metal fit? The cheek piece is well done, with a nice shadow line.

And, also my favorite reticle. I really like posts. I own three and they are on my favorite rifles.

Ron

Hugh · 01-05-2005, 09:17 AM

Doug,

Mannlichers are one of my passions, desired one of them before Lugers! I have about a dozen in various calibers, all full stocked carbines. My favorite hunting rifle is a 1950 6.5x54 MS carbine with double set triggers. Here is a target shot with it. Three shots at 100 yds using my handloads. Those are 1/2" rings on the target. Also a couple of pics of deer killed with it.

I have not seen one stocked with the straight grip either. If you remove the stock, the original will have the serial number stamped in the barrel/chamber channel.

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Doug G. · 01-05-2005, 09:24 AM

Hugh, took the stock off and did not see any numbers, although it has been glass bedded. I was thinking of buying a new stock for it, but after finishing and checkering I would have another $600 in the gun. I don't think it's worth it. How much do you charge to checker a rifle stock?

Hugh · 01-05-2005, 09:40 AM

Doug,

What is the bbl length? It is possible that someone put a "mannlicher" stock on a rifle. The carbines with full length stocks had 20" bbls, except for the 6.5x54, which had a 18 1/2" bbl. The rifles had 24" bbls, except for the "magnums", which had 26" bbls.

I charge $100 to checker a stock which includes both grip sides and the forearm. this does not include return postage & insurance

Ron Smith · 01-05-2005, 10:05 AM

Dang Hugh, That's a nice Buck! That one of them Texas Whitetails?

We've got Pacific Blacktails around here and Muley's from the Central Cascades east. A small herd of Whitetails around Diamond Peak, southeast of here. They are an endangered sub-species, and are VERY protected.
Big time penalty$$$, if you even get caught thinking about shooting one.
You'll lose your rig, your gun, and your hunting privilages for 5 years. There are some record book Bucks running around with them.

Ron

Hugh · 01-05-2005, 10:27 AM

Yep, Ron, thats one of them south Texas Whitetails. The top pic is typical of what we have over here in east Texas.

Funny thing about that 10 pt, several years ago, my oldest son and I were invited to a "company" lease in south Tx. You could only shoot a 10 pt or better buck. The first morning my son could have shot this one, but passed him up "for a bigger one".

The next morning I told him that I wanted his stand, because if that same buck came by, I was going to shoot him. So we swapped stands, and I killed the buck that he passed up.

Needless to say, he didn't get a deer that trip and has regretted not shooting him ever since! He was nice enough to mount it for me tho!

Steve Richards · 01-05-2005, 07:35 PM

A beautifull rifle! If it was mine, I would leave the stock as is unless there is some damage that I did not see in the photos. I personally like the full length stocks. One of these days I will save enough to get one.

Steve

Doug G. · 01-05-2005, 08:49 PM

Hugh, barrel measures right at 20". I was thinking of buying this stock. They want $350 for it plus the cost of checkering and finishing. What do you think?

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For Mannlicher Schoenaur M1952 (or 50 or 54)- Machined for full lenght barrel(24")- made fromextra fine fancy black walnut- feather crotch figure extending up forend- very nice.

Ron Smith · 01-05-2005, 10:07 PM

Doug,
That is a beautiful stock. The one problem is that to trim it down to a 20", would be a time consuming bear. To get the tapper correct and fit the end cap. I have done it a few times. And it's nerve racking to get the forend tappered thin enough to look right. Not trying to discourage you. It can be done, but would be expensive. Unless you can do it yourself.

Ron

Hugh · 01-05-2005, 11:34 PM

Doug,

Looks like a beautiful piece of wood-----however---- I would be leery of the crotch wood in the forearm. I had a custom stock maker tell me one time that the best wood for a mannlicher stock is a blank that has straight grain in the forearm. The straight grain is much more stable than figured wood and will not have a tendency to warp as badly.

If it were me, with the groups that you are getting with the present stock, I would just put a nice checkering job on it and keep it. It has good straight grain, altho a little plain, but appears to be very stable and not subject to warping. If you restock it, you don't know what kind of accuracy you will end up with.

This way you have an excuse to look for another MS with a beautiful figured factory stock! When I get a chance to take a picture of my 6.5x68 mag rifle with its beautiful blond English Walnut factory stock I will post it.

How do you like the set triggers? They take some getting used to, but I have come to love them. You just better be ready to fire when you touch the front one after setting it!!

Hugh · 01-06-2005, 11:28 PM

Doug,

Have you checked out the MS website? Lots of good info. http://discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/
You should join the Mannlicher Collectors Assoc!

Hugh · 01-07-2005, 05:31 PM

Here are the pictures of the stock on my 6.5x68S Mannlicher Schoenauer.

Doug G. · 01-07-2005, 06:25 PM

Hugh, that is a beautiful piece of wood! I think I am going to keep the one I have and also look for another that is more original to look at and shoot occasionally.

Heinz · 01-07-2005, 07:16 PM

Hugh, That is a huge antlered armadillo. No self respecting white tail would stay in Tejas. Nice Manlicher all around. I like the straight grip and have seen one back in the 1960's on an MS from the 1920's. But I do not know if it was original. It had no scope and was a 7 mm something in a nice collection on the Xavier University indoor range in 1966.

01-02-2005, 08:24 PM	#1
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Mannlicher Schoenauer MCA Just bought my first MS rifle. It is the 1950 model in .270 with full stock. All I can say is it is the highest quality rifle I have owned! Bolt is silky smooth and my first group was under 1/2" @ 100 yards with a 3x Lyman All American scope. Any others here own these fine rifles? Will post pics if anyone is interested. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain Last edited by Doug G.; 01-02-2005 at 10:40 PM.

01-02-2005, 08:42 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,928 Thanks: 2,028 Thanked 4,525 Times in 2,090 Posts	I do not, but would like to see pics Doug __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-02-2005, 09:51 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hey Doug, I love em. Please post photos. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-02-2005, 10:38 PM	#4
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Here are some quick pics From what I've seem on the web. It appears that the stock is either a replacement or has been drastically altered. As well as it shot it will be replaced with some high-grade wood for sure! I just love the reticle in this scope! It is a Lyman All American 3x. Group measures just 13/16" @ 100 yards. Remington 130 gr factory loads. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-02-2005, 10:55 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Doug, The stock appears to be a quality custom, or a special order. I have never seen an English straight wrist on one before. How is the wood to metal fit? The cheek piece is well done, with a nice shadow line. And, also my favorite reticle. I really like posts. I own three and they are on my favorite rifles. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-05-2005, 09:17 AM	#6
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Doug, Mannlichers are one of my passions, desired one of them before Lugers! I have about a dozen in various calibers, all full stocked carbines. My favorite hunting rifle is a 1950 6.5x54 MS carbine with double set triggers. Here is a target shot with it. Three shots at 100 yds using my handloads. Those are 1/2" rings on the target. Also a couple of pics of deer killed with it. I have not seen one stocked with the straight grip either. If you remove the stock, the original will have the serial number stamped in the barrel/chamber channel. [ __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-05-2005, 09:24 AM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Hugh, took the stock off and did not see any numbers, although it has been glass bedded. I was thinking of buying a new stock for it, but after finishing and checkering I would have another $600 in the gun. I don't think it's worth it. How much do you charge to checker a rifle stock? __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-05-2005, 09:40 AM	#8
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Doug, What is the bbl length? It is possible that someone put a "mannlicher" stock on a rifle. The carbines with full length stocks had 20" bbls, except for the 6.5x54, which had a 18 1/2" bbl. The rifles had 24" bbls, except for the "magnums", which had 26" bbls. I charge $100 to checker a stock which includes both grip sides and the forearm. this does not include return postage & insurance __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-05-2005, 10:05 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dang Hugh, That's a nice Buck! That one of them Texas Whitetails? We've got Pacific Blacktails around here and Muley's from the Central Cascades east. A small herd of Whitetails around Diamond Peak, southeast of here. They are an endangered sub-species, and are VERY protected. Big time penalty$$$, if you even get caught thinking about shooting one. You'll lose your rig, your gun, and your hunting privilages for 5 years. There are some record book Bucks running around with them. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-05-2005, 10:27 AM	#10
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Yep, Ron, thats one of them south Texas Whitetails. The top pic is typical of what we have over here in east Texas. Funny thing about that 10 pt, several years ago, my oldest son and I were invited to a "company" lease in south Tx. You could only shoot a 10 pt or better buck. The first morning my son could have shot this one, but passed him up "for a bigger one". The next morning I told him that I wanted his stand, because if that same buck came by, I was going to shoot him. So we swapped stands, and I killed the buck that he passed up. Needless to say, he didn't get a deer that trip and has regretted not shooting him ever since! He was nice enough to mount it for me tho! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-05-2005, 07:35 PM	#11
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A beautifull rifle! If it was mine, I would leave the stock as is unless there is some damage that I did not see in the photos. I personally like the full length stocks. One of these days I will save enough to get one. Steve

01-05-2005, 10:07 PM	#13
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Doug, That is a beautiful stock. The one problem is that to trim it down to a 20", would be a time consuming bear. To get the tapper correct and fit the end cap. I have done it a few times. And it's nerve racking to get the forend tappered thin enough to look right. Not trying to discourage you. It can be done, but would be expensive. Unless you can do it yourself. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-05-2005, 11:34 PM	#14
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Doug, Looks like a beautiful piece of wood-----however---- I would be leery of the crotch wood in the forearm. I had a custom stock maker tell me one time that the best wood for a mannlicher stock is a blank that has straight grain in the forearm. The straight grain is much more stable than figured wood and will not have a tendency to warp as badly. If it were me, with the groups that you are getting with the present stock, I would just put a nice checkering job on it and keep it. It has good straight grain, altho a little plain, but appears to be very stable and not subject to warping. If you restock it, you don't know what kind of accuracy you will end up with. This way you have an excuse to look for another MS with a beautiful figured factory stock! When I get a chance to take a picture of my 6.5x68 mag rifle with its beautiful blond English Walnut factory stock I will post it. How do you like the set triggers? They take some getting used to, but I have come to love them. You just better be ready to fire when you touch the front one after setting it!! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-06-2005, 11:28 PM	#15
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	MS Doug, Have you checked out the MS website? Lots of good info. http://discover-net.net/~kanotex/mannlicher/ You should join the Mannlicher Collectors Assoc! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-07-2005, 05:31 PM	#16
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	MS Pics Here are the pictures of the stock on my 6.5x68S Mannlicher Schoenauer. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

01-07-2005, 06:25 PM	#17
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Hugh, that is a beautiful piece of wood! I think I am going to keep the one I have and also look for another that is more original to look at and shoot occasionally. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-07-2005, 07:16 PM	#18
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Hugh, That is a huge antlered armadillo. No self respecting white tail would stay in Tejas. Nice Manlicher all around. I like the straight grip and have seen one back in the 1960's on an MS from the 1920's. But I do not know if it was original. It had no scope and was a 7 mm something in a nice collection on the Xavier University indoor range in 1966.