1915 DWM and British Laws

[Heydrich]

Gentlemen, remember the posting thread that Wes started on the 1915 (Great War) bring back Luger? Well, I received a reply to my e-mail from the owner of that very nice little pistol yesterday. He explained to me how he managed to maintain ownership of his father’s bring back. I guess there is a loophole in Britain’s gun control laws for “war trophies”. Anyway, here is his reply:


thanks for your comments. Keeping the Luger was a hell of a job. Basically I wrote to the Home Office with a number of other people who had similarly inherited 'War Trophies' and eventually they added a clause to the new law which permitted us to keep the guns under these special circumstances, but which did not permit us to hold ammunition. So that's the position I'm in now.

thanks for writing- good to hear from you

Patrick Wilson

www.patrickwilson.com

[Boomer]

He is very lucky to be able to keep the gun at all. I remember reading about a WWII English veteran who had to have his SMLE sniper rifle he carried in the war welded up. Seems his local sherrif thought he was too old to own a live gun and refused to renew his permit. The barrel and bolt had to be welded up. I heard it broke the guy's heart.

[Roadkill]

One of the disturbing parts of history is its repetitive nature. No where in history has the complete disarming of a people been a prelude to a positive era. Governments who wish to do so are afraid of its own people and disarm them in order to ensure domestic security against so called violent undesirable groups in order to gain and maintain control through legitimate political means. The NSDAP disarming actions has many parallels with the actions taken in Great Britian and Australia. How many IRA/Protestant militia or criminals do you think turned in their guns to be welded up?

RK <img src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" border="0" alt="[soapbox]" />

[Marvin]

Hello Roadkill,

The German Government did not disarm the German People, or most of the occupied territory. The law did mandate that all Jews be disarmed.

The law made it so that any German or occupied country person (non Jewish) could own a firearm after a permit was obtained. The permits were issued by the local Gestapo office and were very easy to obtain if a good reason was given for the firearm. Once the permit was issued, the owner had to pass a competency test each year for handguns. Military personel were exempt from these rules.

The German laws were definetly more restrictive than American laws, but for Europe, not too bad.

Marvin

[Roadkill]

Good info. Classic case of reality vs myth. Were there any similar laws enacted against German Communists? Thanks!

RK

[Lugers down under]

Interesting discussion guys,you might be interested in this, we had a general election in New Zealand last week. The center left government got back in for another term but,and here is the interesting part. We have a MMP parliment. One left wing part group who were very anti gun and were part of the government lost all 14 members to parliment while another right wing group (just right of centre)who are pro gun increased its members in parliment by 14.
Does that say anything or what!
Regards <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

[Marvin]

Roadkill,

YES, the Communist were the biggest targets next to the Jews for disarming. Many/most of the Jews in Germany during the post WWI period tended to go to the Communist side.

Good point and thanks for bringing up the Communist issue about the gun control laws.

Marvin

[Heydrich]

Down under, you should be able to draw your own conclusions by that parliamentary shift. I’ve noticed in the last few years that many politicians in the US are now trying to hide or camouflage their anti-gun opinions. I live in a pretty conservative part of Oregon, and many years ago we had a flamin’ liberal female as our congressperson. Right before her ass got voted out of office, she had a notorious press conference were she said something like, “Well, I guess it’s ok if you people hunt deer with your rifles.” This was followed by the most disgusted and cringing look on anyone’s face I have ever seen in my life. She obviously didn’t mean a single word of it.

[wterrell]

[quote]Does that say anything or what!
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Lugers down under, it means seize the moment. The window will quickly dissipate and revert back to the previous status quo.

The liberals are afraid of you because you are such a brute mentality. They must control your possessions and actions through legislation, since lobotomy for the sub-intellectual is frowned upon.

[Doubs]

LDU, be thankful that your countrymen are more independent thinking and less British-like than your neighbors, the Aussies. I'm pleased for you that the anti-gun pols were tossed out on their backsides.

[Roadkill]

The 30's era has always interested me in an uncomfortable fascination, kinda like looking at a corpse. You don't really want to stare but you have to look, then realize people behind are wondering why you are still standing in front of the casket. The greatest evils of the world came from that time. The hardship is unimaginable. I realized a while back that the only difference between me and a person way back is they just got here first. Their time was then as mine is now. The purges under Stalin, the depression world wide, NSDAP, Spanish Civil War, Japanese invasion of China, and real people experienced it. How would I handle the Brownshirts kicking in my door at 2:00am and giving me 20 minutes to pack for deportation to a KZ? What would I think as a career soldier sitting on a train enroute to a Gulag for 10 years after being accused and convicted falsely? What would I do if the Japanese Imperial Army was two blocks away burning and raping with my wife and daughter looking at me for help? What would I be thinking as a resident of Guerncia as the Condor Legion made its second bombing run? It was a terrible epoch in world history.

RK

[wterrell]

Roadkill,

The era may have been the travail of birth into the modern world. Phoenix rising from the ashes of the ancient system of dirt farming, horse and wagon, regional economies, two-rut dusty roads, steam power, Mom & Pop stores, politicians' stump campaigns.
Hitler brought modern politics, modern propoganda, a systematic explantion of manipulation of the public mind by strategy, display, and public broadcast. The world saw the culmination of applied neo-science to the military, air force, navy, and human breeding. The creation of paved interstate road system for the movement of troops allowed astonishing rapidity in agression. And national economies.
It was not an aberration of an era, but the beginning of our day.

[quote]The applause of listening senates to command,
The threats of pain and ruin to despise,
To scatter plenty o'er a smiling land,
And read their history in a nation's eyes.

Their lot forbade; nor circumscribed alone
Their growing virtues, but their crimes confined;
Forbade to wade through slaughter to the throne,
And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,

The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,
To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride
With incense kindled at the Muse's flame.

Thomas Gray <hr></blockquote>


[quote] kinda like looking at a corpse. You don't really want to stare but you have to look, then realize people behind are wondering why you are still standing in front of the casket. <hr></blockquote>

[quote]Can storied urn or animated bust
Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?
Can Honor's voice provoke the silent dust,
Or Flattery soothe the dull cold ear of
Death?

Thomas Gray <hr></blockquote>

[Boomer]

It was funny watching Al Gore say he supported the right to own guns during the election! What a load of crap! The Democrats here try to hide their anti-gun views because they lost both houses in congress after they passed the assault weapon ban back in 1994. That ban will sunset (end) in sept 2004 unless congress extends it. Man, there is going to be a fight!

[Lugers down under]

Terry,
I would like to know if I could publish you last post in our New Zealands Guns magazine (no names or pack drill)just to remind some of our apathetic non proactive gun lovers what will happen if they continue to sit on thier hands.
Murray

[Doubs]

Tacfoley, you need not apologize for anything you've said about the deplorable manner in which the good people of England and the rest of Great Bratain were treated. For three years I was a member of the Viking Pistol Club of Wickham Market, Suffolk. A finer group of people couldn't be imagined and when I learned of the draconian laws passed after the Hungerford shootings, I felt real anguish for my friends who had to give up their guns. One man - a very good friend - had to give up his 1911A1 that he'd carried through the war from England to N. Africa and Italy. He deserved better and had served his country far more honorably than those who took his pistol. As usual, the politicians have punished the wrong people for the wrong reasons. I would be extremely bitter if I were in your shoes.

[wterrell]

Tacfoley,

Why would a woman love a man who beats her? Why should a populace love the government that beats them? Whenever (If) the woman tires of being beat, she will replace the man with one that is more kind. If she is comfortable with being beat and values a nice house and clothes, she will remain with the man.

If it is important enough to the English/British people to regain their status as humans instead of cattle, they will organize and change their abusive system. Until then, they will be comfortable with the free handouts of daily milk which keep them dependent.

Again, I will also refer you to Henry David Thoreau, "On The Duty Of Civil Disobedience". Read it and then DO something! Until then, Americans cannot sympathize or empathize with you.

LINK:

http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/civ.dis.html

[quote]I do not propose to write an ode to dejection, but to brag as lustily as chanticleer in the morning, standing on his roost, if only to wake my neighbors up. - - Thoreau - - <hr></blockquote>

[wterrell]

Tacfoley,

It is a sorry system. Replace it. We did not have the luxury of a constitution either. Changing your system could be your raison d'etre. Wish you luck!

Government governs by the consent of the governed. It is that simple. There is no more to be said.

An example:
My wife and I did not care for the public school system for our children. We objected to the brutalization of baby minds through peer pressure and the like, and were totally dissatisfied with the lack of quality of public education. At the time, there were no state provisions to allow for home schooling in the state in which we resided. So, we defied the law and openly schooled them at home. The costs were tremendous financially, socially, personally, and career wise. But those sacrifices were small in comparison to the character of our two children. Neither have ever stepped foot inside a public school and both are now in their second year at Computer Science Engineering College at Colorado University.
Not everything is smooth and easy, dear Tacfoley.