Need Info!!!!

tdm9591 · 06-09-2007, 03:31 AM

Hello Everyone,
I'm new to this site and am hoping to find some help!!!

...I have recently aquired this Luger from a reletive!!! All I know is that it was my grandfathers and that he had it since sometime in the early 1920's....I would like to find out just what it is...its relative condition and perhaps an guestimated value....If anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated 8-) I have done a little investigation on the forum main page prior to coming to the message board and what I know so far is the gun has a toggle inscription DWM and no chamber inscription...under the barrel and infront of the triger gaurd is the serial # the letter (a) italisized and GERMANY... It appears to have a proof mark ether # 4 or # 28 from the lists given...I couldn't tell which...one on the side of the barrel by the serial # and one on side of the extractor....it has a 3 3/4 " barrel which seems to be a little rare because I only saw one listing for that size!!!...all part #'s are matching...I didn't know were to look on the clip but I didn't see any numbers of any kind on the clip!!..It does have Germany stamped on the bottom!!...It has GESICHERT on the safty and GELADEN on the extractor. It does appear to be missing a trigger spring!! I saw no dates on it any where....I am going to try and attach several photos....As I mentioned any help that anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated...I'll look forward to a response...again hello to all and I hope this message finds everyone who reads it well and happy .....thanks ...Tim

tdm9591 · 06-09-2007, 03:56 AM

I'm not sure what happened but my message posted before I could attach my photos

so here they are ..I hope!!!

tdm9591 · 06-09-2007, 03:59 AM

Not sure why that is so big!!! I'll try again

tdm9591 · 06-09-2007, 04:01 AM

Guess maybe I could use some advice on attaching pics

Edward Tinker · 06-09-2007, 07:21 AM

Tim, you are doing fine. I did move the thread from the help / feedback forum, to the New Collectors area. Welcome to the forum!

It looks like you have a weimar era commercial luger. Do you know if it is 9mm or 7.65mm?

The reasons it is a called alphabet luger ;

1. The import export stamp that says Germany
2. The crown N on the left
3. SN range
4. no date on the receiver

There are two possibilities, it was made for the military an then was exported, or it was a ww1 / parts and put together, scrubbed and reproofed before shipping.

Can we have full right side and a few other pictures, such as closer of the left markings and right markings if any.

Ed

PS barrel looks normal size to me. Take a pencil, drop down the barrel with action closed, , mark it, measure what was inside. I bet it is 3 5/8ths or 4 inches. But the 3 3/4 is also possible, escpecially for a commerical meant piece.

tdm9591 · 06-09-2007, 02:04 PM

Hello Edward,
Thanks...yes it is 7.65 It seems I ovelooked that little detail.. LoL.. I would be happy to move to the new collectors area and supply the extra pics you suggested just as soon as I have a few extra minutes. I measured the barrel as you instructed and it sure looks like 3 3/4 " to me!!!! Thanks so much fo your timely response and I will look forward to learning more about my gun. Again thanks and I will look forward to hearing from you in the future:-)

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:27 PM

Hello All,
Edward suggested that I provide a little more info in the form of some more photos....so that is what I am here doing:-)...I look forward to anyones input about my gun...To everyone...have a nice day!!!8-(

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:39 PM

Barrel Measurment

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:40 PM

Left Side View

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:41 PM

More markings

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:46 PM

More markings

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 12:58 PM

Last one...If anyone needs any othe photos for any reason just let me know and I can take them...Thanks
P.S. I would like to Know where on the clip do you look fo the ID # and what does it mean if there isn't one??

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Sorry I did have several more photos

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 01:10 PM

Several more

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 01:15 PM

Several more

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 01:18 PM

two more...

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 01:22 PM

0ne more!!!

Dwight Gruber · 06-10-2007, 01:50 PM

Tim,

A few more pictures are necessary to fully explore this Luger. Could you take closeup shots of the left side, right side, and top of the receiver? Also, a closeup picture of the bottom of the magazine would prove very interesting.

--Dwight

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 02:21 PM

Here it is

tdm9591 · 06-10-2007, 03:14 PM

Mr.Gruber,
The photos you requested...if there is anything else I can do to help with the evaluation of my gun...please let me know and I will try my best to provide....thank you for your help

06-09-2007, 03:31 AM	#1
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need Info!!!! Hello Everyone, I'm new to this site and am hoping to find some help!!!...I have recently aquired this Luger from a reletive!!! All I know is that it was my grandfathers and that he had it since sometime in the early 1920's....I would like to find out just what it is...its relative condition and perhaps an guestimated value....If anyone can help me out it would be greatly appreciated 8-) I have done a little investigation on the forum main page prior to coming to the message board and what I know so far is the gun has a toggle inscription DWM and no chamber inscription...under the barrel and infront of the triger gaurd is the serial # the letter (a) italisized and GERMANY... It appears to have a proof mark ether # 4 or # 28 from the lists given...I couldn't tell which...one on the side of the barrel by the serial # and one on side of the extractor....it has a 3 3/4 " barrel which seems to be a little rare because I only saw one listing for that size!!!...all part #'s are matching...I didn't know were to look on the clip but I didn't see any numbers of any kind on the clip!!..It does have Germany stamped on the bottom!!...It has GESICHERT on the safty and GELADEN on the extractor. It does appear to be missing a trigger spring!! I saw no dates on it any where....I am going to try and attach several photos....As I mentioned any help that anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated...I'll look forward to a response...again hello to all and I hope this message finds everyone who reads it well and happy .....thanks ...Tim

06-09-2007, 03:56 AM	#2
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Photos I'm not sure what happened but my message posted before I could attach my photos so here they are ..I hope!!! Attached Thumbnails

06-09-2007, 03:59 AM	#3
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not sure why that is so big!!! I'll try again Attached Thumbnails

06-09-2007, 04:01 AM	#4
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Guess maybe I could use some advice on attaching pics Attached Thumbnails

06-09-2007, 07:21 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Tim, you are doing fine. I did move the thread from the help / feedback forum, to the New Collectors area. Welcome to the forum! It looks like you have a weimar era commercial luger. Do you know if it is 9mm or 7.65mm? The reasons it is a called alphabet luger ; 1. The import export stamp that says Germany 2. The crown N on the left 3. SN range 4. no date on the receiver There are two possibilities, it was made for the military an then was exported, or it was a ww1 / parts and put together, scrubbed and reproofed before shipping. Can we have full right side and a few other pictures, such as closer of the left markings and right markings if any. Ed PS barrel looks normal size to me. Take a pencil, drop down the barrel with action closed, , mark it, measure what was inside. I bet it is 3 5/8ths or 4 inches. But the 3 3/4 is also possible, escpecially for a commerical meant piece. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-09-2007, 02:04 PM	#6
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Edward, Thanks...yes it is 7.65 It seems I ovelooked that little detail.. LoL.. I would be happy to move to the new collectors area and supply the extra pics you suggested just as soon as I have a few extra minutes. I measured the barrel as you instructed and it sure looks like 3 3/4 " to me!!!! Thanks so much fo your timely response and I will look forward to learning more about my gun. Again thanks and I will look forward to hearing from you in the future:-)

06-10-2007, 12:27 PM	#7
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More Photos Hello All, Edward suggested that I provide a little more info in the form of some more photos....so that is what I am here doing:-)...I look forward to anyones input about my gun...To everyone...have a nice day!!!8-(

06-10-2007, 12:39 PM	#8
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barrel Measurment Attached Images

06-10-2007, 12:40 PM	#9
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Left Side View Attached Images

06-10-2007, 12:41 PM	#10
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More markings Attached Images

06-10-2007, 12:46 PM	#11
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	More markings Attached Images

06-10-2007, 12:58 PM	#12
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Last one...If anyone needs any othe photos for any reason just let me know and I can take them...Thanks P.S. I would like to Know where on the clip do you look fo the ID # and what does it mean if there isn't one?? Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:08 PM	#13
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sorry I did have several more photos Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:10 PM	#14
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Several more Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:15 PM	#15
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Several more Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:18 PM	#16
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	two more... Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:22 PM	#17
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	0ne more!!! Attached Images

06-10-2007, 01:50 PM	#18
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Tim, A few more pictures are necessary to fully explore this Luger. Could you take closeup shots of the left side, right side, and top of the receiver? Also, a closeup picture of the bottom of the magazine would prove very interesting. --Dwight

06-10-2007, 02:21 PM	#19
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Forgot left side close up Here it is Attached Images

06-10-2007, 03:14 PM	#20
tdm9591 User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The photos you reguested Mr.Gruber, The photos you requested...if there is anything else I can do to help with the evaluation of my gun...please let me know and I will try my best to provide....thank you for your help Attached Images