question dvm/black widow

charly239 · 06-18-2006, 04:10 PM

dear sirs

i have one question

for which weapon i can pay moore

a black widow byf42 cond 1-

or a dvm 1916 cond 1-

which one would you prefer

thanks a lot

thomas

Navy · 06-18-2006, 04:26 PM

thomas,

The byf by far; 1916 DWMs are quite common.

Tom A

John Sabato · 06-19-2006, 10:41 AM

I agree that the byf is made of the most modern steel of the century and will perform well... the 1916 DWM will certainly have seen more service and like have more wear. The steel it is made of while good, is not the modern alloy that the byf was made from.

Ron Wood · 06-19-2006, 11:19 AM

OK, let an Imperial era guy wade in here. As far as "common" goes it is fairly close - approximately 123,000 byf 42 made (including those sold to Portugual and Bulgaria) vs. approximately 140,000 1916 DWM production. Looking at asking prices, the values are almost even as well. Considering the nearly 3 decades difference in production and two wars, I would think it would be much more difficult to find a 1916 in excellent condition than it would be to find a 1942 excellent example. Lastly, you know my preference...if it was made after 1918, it is a reproduction!

Frank · 06-19-2006, 01:40 PM

If you want a really old pistol, made with ancient material, go for the 1916. But if you want a modern pistol, made with the latest material go with the 41 byf. Mausers are the production Lugers; DWM Lugers are known as the trial and error models!!

policeluger · 06-19-2006, 01:53 PM

its gettin' ulgy...

Ron Wood · 06-19-2006, 02:00 PM

It may have been trial and error...but they ended up getting it right and doing it with elegance!

Jack Lawman · 06-19-2006, 02:28 PM

Well now you know which one Frank prefers and why...

and you also know which one Ron prefers and why...

Does Charly239 have a preference or is this strictly an exercise in economics?

Jack

Edward Tinker · 06-19-2006, 06:24 PM

both of Thomas's posting were short on information and both of them he stated "dvm". I'd be careful of buying a luger or selling one until you know the difference in companies. There is a DWM but not a DVM

Ron Smith · 06-20-2006, 08:52 AM

Buy them both. Sell the 1916 to Ron, the byf to Frank. Then find a nice unit marked 1929 BKIW .

Thor · 06-20-2006, 10:55 AM

I like Ron's idea!

pipeman45 · 06-22-2006, 10:06 PM

The BYF if I were going to shoot it.
The DWM if it was just to look at.
Both if the price were right!!!

06-29-2006, 02:36 PM

I believe that the Imperial Lugers are still the best ever made. IMHO

06-18-2006, 04:10 PM	#1
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	question dvm/black widow dear sirs i have one question for which weapon i can pay moore a black widow byf42 cond 1- or a dvm 1916 cond 1- which one would you prefer thanks a lot thomas

06-19-2006, 10:41 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I agree that the byf is made of the most modern steel of the century and will perform well... the 1916 DWM will certainly have seen more service and like have more wear. The steel it is made of while good, is not the modern alloy that the byf was made from. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-19-2006, 11:19 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	OK, let an Imperial era guy wade in here. As far as "common" goes it is fairly close - approximately 123,000 byf 42 made (including those sold to Portugual and Bulgaria) vs. approximately 140,000 1916 DWM production. Looking at asking prices, the values are almost even as well. Considering the nearly 3 decades difference in production and two wars, I would think it would be much more difficult to find a 1916 in excellent condition than it would be to find a 1942 excellent example. Lastly, you know my preference...if it was made after 1918, it is a reproduction! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-19-2006, 02:00 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,005 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 5,139 Times in 1,689 Posts	It may have been trial and error...but they ended up getting it right and doing it with elegance! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-19-2006, 02:28 PM	#8
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Well now you know which one Frank prefers and why... and you also know which one Ron prefers and why... Does Charly239 have a preference or is this strictly an exercise in economics? Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

06-18-2006, 04:26 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	thomas, The byf by far; 1916 DWMs are quite common. Tom A

06-19-2006, 01:40 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	If you want a really old pistol, made with ancient material, go for the 1916. But if you want a modern pistol, made with the latest material go with the 41 byf. Mausers are the production Lugers; DWM Lugers are known as the trial and error models!!

06-19-2006, 01:53 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	its gettin' ulgy...

06-19-2006, 06:24 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	both of Thomas's posting were short on information and both of them he stated "dvm". I'd be careful of buying a luger or selling one until you know the difference in companies. There is a DWM but not a DVM __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-20-2006, 08:52 AM	#10
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Buy them both. Sell the 1916 to Ron, the byf to Frank. Then find a nice unit marked 1929 BKIW . __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-20-2006, 10:55 AM	#11
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I like Ron's idea! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

06-22-2006, 10:06 PM	#12
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The BYF if I were going to shoot it. The DWM if it was just to look at. Both if the price were right!!! __________________ Dave

06-29-2006, 02:36 PM	#13
ironcross4148 Guest Posts: n/a	I believe that the Imperial Lugers are still the best ever made. IMHO