Fellow holsters lovers, please comment. Thanks!!!

corby34 · 06-11-2016, 01:37 PM

Hello again my holster friends. today can you please take a look at this 1944 LYO WaA77, also the number 2 stamped on both sides of the main holster under the flap. This holster was made in Poland. I hear they are pretty rare in good condition...I would say this is in ok condition. What would a holster like this go for? Again thanks for all comments and opinions,

John

Edward Tinker · 06-11-2016, 02:38 PM

John, what do you think it is?

Looks like a P38 or Radom holster to me.

Can you show good shots of the mag pouch?

corby34 · 06-11-2016, 03:28 PM

I'm wondering how valuable they are...I have books that say they are rare but nobody buys them off eBay when they come up for auction...Thanks

John Sabato · 06-13-2016, 09:28 AM

I have never seen one like that before. From the shape of the "nose" I would have to agree with Ed Tinker that the holster is from a Radom pistol... not a Luger or P.38.

Just my $0.02 (until proven that my guess is wrong!)

Eugen · 06-13-2016, 11:39 AM

Note to self: If a holster has a large, original looking "P.38" embossed stamp on it, it probably was a holster for a "P.38".

(note to readers: Eugen is in a light hearted mood this morning)

DonVoigt · 06-13-2016, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

Note to self: If a holster has a large, original looking "P.38" embossed stamp on it, it probably was a holster for a "P.38".

(note to readers: Eugen is in a light hearted mood this morning)

+1,
I thought that a pretty significant "tell" also!

lugerholsterrepair · 06-13-2016, 12:57 PM

C'mon guys! It's a standard LYO P-38 as some astute posters have indicated. These were likely made with conscripted labor in Poland. Not up to the usual quality of the normal German P-38 holster. But almost always found in original brown for some reason unless dyed black by someone somewhere. Yes they are scarce if not rare..especially in good condition.
The twisted toe is not at all unusual on German holsters. You see it to varying degrees on many holsters. It occours when the holster front is sewn to the back. A misalignment of the two pieces causes them to twist at the toe.

I think the soft leather, long stitching and in general a perceived quality issue is what affects price on these. You would think the color would make up for it some but it doesn't seem to.

corby34 · 06-14-2016, 10:17 AM

Thank you Jerry. You are the only one who actually read what I was asking...

Eugen, did you read what I was asking. I know its a P38 holster. My question was value. So please next time READ THE FULL POST before you post your remarks. I don't appreciate your comments.

To the rest of you I say thank you.

Eugen · 06-14-2016, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corby34

Thank you Jerry. You are the only one who actually read what I was asking...

Eugen, did you read what I was asking. I know its a P38 holster. My question was value. So please next time READ THE FULL POST before you post your smart ass remarks. I don't appreciate your comments.

To the rest of you I say thank you.

corby34, I apologize if I offended you with my attempt at humor that was directed to other's replies. Lastly, I don't have any idea what your holster is worth.

sheepherder · 06-14-2016, 10:50 AM

...Mo said it best...

Neil Young · 06-14-2016, 12:32 PM

A little testy aren't we corby34.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-14-2016, 01:07 PM

John, Mellow out. You may be used to other Forums..but here we won't have any confrontation and swearing. Humor is humor..chuckle and move on. Nothing life or death going on. Always remember first impressions.

corby34 · 09-26-2016, 08:49 PM

My apology's to all...I mean no harm

Neil Young · 09-26-2016, 11:40 PM

No harm done corby34. Drive on, join in and enjoy.

GerColctor · 10-06-2016, 06:09 PM

Jerry

What might be effecting the prices of these Polish Luger holsters is that they "look different" then most other original models. With the market having so many repo holsters offered, some collectors may be a bit gun shy in bidding for one of these.

Thanks for providing the info on these rather unique holsters.
Joe

Mac Cat · 10-06-2016, 07:02 PM

In the German ordinance codes of Holster manufactures (1940-1945) "lyo" was a code for"
Kromolowski & Sohne
Lederwrenfabrik
Random
Limanowskistrasse 69

However, there was no Waffenamt Inspectors Number (WaA _ _ _ ) associated with it and one is clearly stamped on this holster.
(WaA 76 is associated with CZ - Czechoslovakia)

I could not find any codes of Polish holsters, probably because it was an occupied country.

Lugers Hosters & Accessories of the 20th Century - Eugene Bender

RockinWR · 10-06-2016, 11:40 PM

* I see a WaA77 on this holster. This is consistent with the Radom, Poland area maker and the German Waffen Inspector assigned to this area in 1944.
* OBTW: Same inspector bought off the Radom pistol slide and frame "kits".
* Alto these and the "ndk" accepted P.38 holster are infrequently seen, I think Jerry is spot on as to the reason these do not command high $'s. Soft Leather, usually "dinged/scuffed" up, and lower overall quality compared to the German leather shops output.
* Still: Since I also own 2, I would hope this PT would command $275-$300 as an intact, 1944 period correct P38 hardshell from the Eastern "Front".....IMHO.
* Kind of begs for a cyq P38 and a jvd spare mag to complete the picture.
Respectfully,
Bob

George Anderson · 10-07-2016, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Young

No harm done corby34. Drive on, join in and enjoy.

Nice hat you have there Mr. Young.

mcg · 10-15-2016, 08:17 PM

Any 1944 dated hard shell holster is tough to find, the fact that this is brown as almost all were black at this time, makes it a very desirable accessory to a late war P.38.
Just my .02,
Mark

06-11-2016, 01:37 PM	#1
corby34 User Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 8 Posts	Fellow holsters lovers, please comment. Thanks!!! Hello again my holster friends. today can you please take a look at this 1944 LYO WaA77, also the number 2 stamped on both sides of the main holster under the flap. This holster was made in Poland. I hear they are pretty rare in good condition...I would say this is in ok condition. What would a holster like this go for? Again thanks for all comments and opinions, John Attached Thumbnails

06-11-2016, 03:28 PM	#3
corby34 User Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 8 Posts	few more pictures I'm wondering how valuable they are...I have books that say they are rare but nobody buys them off eBay when they come up for auction...Thanks Attached Thumbnails

06-13-2016, 09:28 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I have never seen one like that before. From the shape of the "nose" I would have to agree with Ed Tinker that the holster is from a Radom pistol... not a Luger or P.38. Just my $0.02 (until proven that my guess is wrong!) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-13-2016, 11:39 AM	#5
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 393 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Note to self: If a holster has a large, original looking "P.38" embossed stamp on it, it probably was a holster for a "P.38". (note to readers: Eugen is in a light hearted mood this morning) __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

06-13-2016, 12:57 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	C'mon guys! It's a standard LYO P-38 as some astute posters have indicated. These were likely made with conscripted labor in Poland. Not up to the usual quality of the normal German P-38 holster. But almost always found in original brown for some reason unless dyed black by someone somewhere. Yes they are scarce if not rare..especially in good condition. The twisted toe is not at all unusual on German holsters. You see it to varying degrees on many holsters. It occours when the holster front is sewn to the back. A misalignment of the two pieces causes them to twist at the toe. I think the soft leather, long stitching and in general a perceived quality issue is what affects price on these. You would think the color would make up for it some but it doesn't seem to. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-11-2016, 02:38 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,931 Thanks: 2,031 Thanked 4,527 Times in 2,090 Posts	John, what do you think it is? Looks like a P38 or Radom holster to me. Can you show good shots of the mag pouch?

06-14-2016, 10:17 AM	#8
corby34 User Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 8 Posts	Thanks Jerry Thank you Jerry. You are the only one who actually read what I was asking... Eugen, did you read what I was asking. I know its a P38 holster. My question was value. So please next time READ THE FULL POST before you post your remarks. I don't appreciate your comments. To the rest of you I say thank you. Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 06-14-2016 at 01:00 PM.

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Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	A little testy aren't we corby34. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

06-14-2016, 01:07 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,928 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	John, Mellow out. You may be used to other Forums..but here we won't have any confrontation and swearing. Humor is humor..chuckle and move on. Nothing life or death going on. Always remember first impressions. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-26-2016, 08:49 PM	#13
corby34 User Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 8 Posts	My apology's to all...I mean no harm

09-26-2016, 11:40 PM	#14
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	No harm done corby34. Drive on, join in and enjoy. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

10-06-2016, 06:09 PM	#15
GerColctor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: CT & FL Posts: 312 Thanks: 2 Thanked 45 Times in 29 Posts	Jerry What might be effecting the prices of these Polish Luger holsters is that they "look different" then most other original models. With the market having so many repo holsters offered, some collectors may be a bit gun shy in bidding for one of these. Thanks for providing the info on these rather unique holsters. Joe __________________ It is better to have lived a day as a tiger, then a thousand years as a lamb.

10-06-2016, 07:02 PM	#16
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 725 Thanks: 2,090 Thanked 606 Times in 327 Posts	In the German ordinance codes of Holster manufactures (1940-1945) "lyo" was a code for" Kromolowski & Sohne Lederwrenfabrik Random Limanowskistrasse 69 However, there was no Waffenamt Inspectors Number (WaA _ _ _ ) associated with it and one is clearly stamped on this holster. (WaA 76 is associated with CZ - Czechoslovakia) I could not find any codes of Polish holsters, probably because it was an occupied country. Lugers Hosters & Accessories of the 20th Century - Eugene Bender

10-06-2016, 11:40 PM	#17
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	* I see a WaA77 on this holster. This is consistent with the Radom, Poland area maker and the German Waffen Inspector assigned to this area in 1944. * OBTW: Same inspector bought off the Radom pistol slide and frame "kits". * Alto these and the "ndk" accepted P.38 holster are infrequently seen, I think Jerry is spot on as to the reason these do not command high $'s. Soft Leather, usually "dinged/scuffed" up, and lower overall quality compared to the German leather shops output. * Still: Since I also own 2, I would hope this PT would command $275-$300 as an intact, 1944 period correct P38 hardshell from the Eastern "Front".....IMHO. * Kind of begs for a cyq P38 and a jvd spare mag to complete the picture. Respectfully, Bob

10-15-2016, 08:17 PM	#19
mcg Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Houston, TX. Posts: 92 Thanks: 262 Thanked 29 Times in 21 Posts	Any 1944 dated hard shell holster is tough to find, the fact that this is brown as almost all were black at this time, makes it a very desirable accessory to a late war P.38. Just my .02, Mark