Real or Repro?

MAUSER88 · 01-18-2015, 11:35 AM

Can someone help me with black plastic P08 grips? I'm unsure how to tell if these are real or repros'. They came on a mismatched BYF41. Pictures are in nature light.

MAUSER88 · 01-18-2015, 11:37 AM

Two more pictures.

alvin · 01-18-2015, 12:35 PM

Aftermarket.

ithacaartist · 01-18-2015, 12:45 PM

Copied/ cast from a pair of grodey grips. The backsides look terrible, and the fronts have incorporated all the blemishes and wear of whatever they were cast from. Other ways to tell plastic from real Bakelite would be the 'hot pin test', and checking to see if the holes in the back are threaded to accept a grip screw.

MAUSER88 · 01-18-2015, 03:15 PM

How about these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321633909235...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351280189128...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

alvin · 01-18-2015, 04:04 PM

Aftermarket too.

Why spending hundreds to buy parts... The gun must be in great shape except grip panels, I assume? It's a painful process to find spare original parts in great shape -- harder to find than great guns. It's like kidney not being rare at all (every person has a pair), but it's very hard to find kidney donors. Sorry for the inappropriate analog, but that's the way it is.

cirelaw · 01-18-2015, 05:36 PM

Ebay has a few worth looking! http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nk...d=301080012613

alvin · 01-18-2015, 07:37 PM

This type of panels are fragile after decades. Don't shoot Black Widow as is. No need to test those panels. That also implies spare genuine black panels are not easy to come.

I have been looking for a good Mauser 4v magazine spring, but noticed its so hard to come from guns in poor shape. So I gave up. There are plentiful of guns in poor shape, but most of their organs are also in poor shape, or replaced long time ago.

Sergio Natali · 01-19-2015, 06:44 AM

From the pictures to me they look like copies.
FWIW

Sergio

Lugerdoc · 01-19-2015, 09:48 AM

M88, If you're looking for the proper original checkered wood grips, I do have a "like new" set of unnumbered armour's spare E/135 marked inside, both sides. TH

01-18-2015, 11:35 AM	#1
MAUSER88 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 257 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 31 Posts	Real or Repro? Can someone help me with black plastic P08 grips? I'm unsure how to tell if these are real or repros'. They came on a mismatched BYF41. Pictures are in nature light. Attached Thumbnails

01-18-2015, 11:37 AM	#2
MAUSER88 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 257 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 31 Posts	Two more pictures. Attached Thumbnails

01-18-2015, 12:45 PM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,335 Thanks: 7,242 Thanked 2,555 Times in 1,360 Posts	Copied/ cast from a pair of grodey grips. The backsides look terrible, and the fronts have incorporated all the blemishes and wear of whatever they were cast from. Other ways to tell plastic from real Bakelite would be the 'hot pin test', and checking to see if the holes in the back are threaded to accept a grip screw. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-19-2015, 06:44 AM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	From the pictures to me they look like copies. FWIW Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-19-2015, 09:48 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	M88, If you're looking for the proper original checkered wood grips, I do have a "like new" set of unnumbered armour's spare E/135 marked inside, both sides. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-18-2015, 12:35 PM	#3
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Aftermarket.

01-18-2015, 03:15 PM	#5
MAUSER88 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 257 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 31 Posts	How about these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/321633909235...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/351280189128...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

01-18-2015, 04:04 PM	#6
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Aftermarket too. Why spending hundreds to buy parts... The gun must be in great shape except grip panels, I assume? It's a painful process to find spare original parts in great shape -- harder to find than great guns. It's like kidney not being rare at all (every person has a pair), but it's very hard to find kidney donors. Sorry for the inappropriate analog, but that's the way it is.

01-18-2015, 05:36 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ebay has a few worth looking! http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nk...d=301080012613

01-18-2015, 07:37 PM	#8
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This type of panels are fragile after decades. Don't shoot Black Widow as is. No need to test those panels. That also implies spare genuine black panels are not easy to come. I have been looking for a good Mauser 4v magazine spring, but noticed its so hard to come from guns in poor shape. So I gave up. There are plentiful of guns in poor shape, but most of their organs are also in poor shape, or replaced long time ago.