I've been had

[kurusu]

I google it and...yes.

[DonVoigt]

Mine too!
At least until 1968, I had a road runner that would "give" 130 mph or about 210 kph.

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Mine too!
At least until 1968, I had a road runner that would "give" 130 mph or about 210 kph.

That's the top speed* of my current car. And it's a diesel.

* Clock speed is higher.

Edit. Meet my W. E. Coyote that I had back in 1989, 185 mph*

* on the clock.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by kurusu

That's the top speed* of my current car. And it's a diesel.

* Clock speed is higher.

You must have to use that super "bio" diesel in it!

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

You must have to use that super "bio" diesel in it!

Nope. I use high grade diesel, but that's an option.

In fact there is a warning in the booklet not to use biodiesel.

Not mine, but same year make and model.

[kurusu]

And this is mine, just taken from my balcony.

[Zorba]

One of many cars we're not allowed to have here in the US. Why drive gasoline when you can drive a Diesel? But our options are few...

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Zorba

One of many cars we're not allowed to have here in the US. Why drive gasoline when you can drive a Diesel? But our options are few...

Well, this one is a 2015 model no longer affected by the Volkswagen group emissions scandal. My previous one (same make and model) from 2008 was made before they tampered with the emissions. Kind of dodged the bullet.

[Zorba]

Everytime its starting to look like diesel is going to take off here in the US, somebody comes along and screws it up. Thank you GM and thank you VW!

[m1903a3]

Diesels are dinosaurs, and the big rock is coming fast. European cities are quickly turning anti-diesel as they realize the polution problems they create.

They never really caught on in the US because road diesel fuel is much more heavily taxed than gasoline. If it had been a level playing field you'd see a lot more of them on the US roads. But now, it appears we dodged a bullet by not having a lot of them.

Google European diesel problems and you'll see a flood of articles dealing with the issues.

[Zorba]

Most so-called "diesel problems" are political in nature - it would take diesel fuel being 2/3rds more expensive than gasoline for the "overall ownership cost" to be more-or-less equal to inefficient gasoline engines.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Caliphornia is down on diesel because it produces heavy exhaust particles that fall to the ground and are caught up in the watershed. Guess what powers a 900,000 pound 727 into the air? Jet fuel..just high grade diesel. They burn not gallons but thousands of pounds of the stuff. Guess what won't/will NEVER fly on electricity? a 900,000 pound 727. I would love to be a fly on the wall the day we run out of fossil fuel..it will be back to sailing ships.

[Sergio Natali]

Originally Posted by kurusu

I google it and...yes.

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It's veeeeeeery funny! Also because that's used to be one of my favourite cartoons when I was little.

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by Zorba

Most so-called "diesel problems" are political in nature - it would take diesel fuel being 2/3rds more expensive than gasoline for the "overall ownership cost" to be more-or-less equal to inefficient gasoline engines.

The combustion of fossil fuels is an environmental problem due to the extra carbon introduced to the above-ground global ecosystem. The effects are real, not just someone's opinion, and demonstrated by solid science. The implications of the problem are both political and economic because the steps needed to help the situation are difficult, complicated, and will be expensive in the short term.

Every drop of petro-fuel should remain right were it is until/unless the techniques are developed to use it safely. The prices of denying the science, avoiding changes, or changing too slowly seem higher than many want to pay, but this is short-term thinking.

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The combustion of fossil fuels is an environmental problem due to the extra carbon introduced to the above-ground global ecosystem. The effects are real, not just someone's opinion, and demonstrated by solid science. The implications of the problem are both political and economic because the steps needed to help the situation are difficult, complicated, and will be expensive in the short term.

Every drop of petro-fuel should remain right were it is until/unless the techniques are developed to use it safely. The prices of denying the science, avoiding changes, or changing too slowly seem higher than many want to pay, but this is short-term thinking.

That is valid for all fossil fuels, not just Diesel.

Edit. We are going fast against a brick wall. I am well aware of that.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Every drop of petro-fuel should remain right were it is until/unless the techniques are developed to use it safely. So...IF this were to be done..all human activity would come to an immediate grinding halt. How safe would that be?

What you are recommending is exactly what would happen if an EMP were detonated overhead.

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

So...IF this were to be done..all human activity would come to an immediate grinding halt. How safe would that be?

What you are recommending is exactly what would happen if an EMP were detonated overhead.

That is very true. We are apparently between a rock and an hard place.

[DonVoigt]

"Every drop of petro-fuel should remain right were it is until/unless the techniques are developed to use it safely. "

Don't take this personally, but that is just nuts; unless you want civilization as we know it to end quickly and in a big fight. JMHO.

Changes can and should be made, but to stop using fossil fuels cold turkey(something that would be impossible to arrange/co-ordinate anyway) would kill millions directly and more millions indirectly, again JMHO.

[conehammer]

This and several processes like it are why oil( natural or synthetic) will never go away. I read years ago that one process is already in large scale production.

https://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=slick-s...microorganisms
http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/researc...281715_en.html

I understood the us military has been using bio engineered fuels for certain ocean based craft for some years as it meets their standards and as a solely domestic controlled asset it is secure in time of war.

As a onetime chemist, we bring you better living!

Jerry

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

"Every drop of petro-fuel should remain right were it is until/unless the techniques are developed to use it safely. "

Don't take this personally, but that is just nuts; unless you want civilization as we know it to end quickly and in a big fight. JMHO.

Changes can and should be made, but to stop using fossil fuels cold turkey(something that would be impossible to arrange/co-ordinate anyway) would kill millions directly and more millions indirectly, again JMHO.

Operative word: "should" I realize how bound up we are with petro-fuels, and that we do not live in Utopia. It may come down to upsetting the apple cart rather than letting it crash and be entirely destroyed. Bio-fuel cycles the carbon already up here, opposed to bringing more up and burning it. I wouldn't predict anything other than total chaos if it comes to an actual pinch.