Unusual Mark On Cartridge Counter

cirelaw · 08-02-2017, 08:34 PM

While grazing Bobs' site, I noticed a cartridge Counter with an unusual proof. I wrote Bob he claims its either a proof or inspectors mark on the mag and assured it to be legit 'Interesting". Any guess! http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=52623 PS I don;t know why he is throwing in a 1900 US Test Holster when he has 3 test lugers for sale!

Ron Wood · 08-03-2017, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

...PS I don;t know why he is throwing in a 1900 US Test Holster when he has 3 test lugers for sale!...

Bob isn't throwing it in. It is a consignment piece so the seller is throwing it in.

P.S. The "W" isn't a proof, it is an inspector's mark (magazines aren't proofed). I haven't seen any other CC magazines so marked, but who knows?
Ron

DonVoigt · 08-03-2017, 10:23 AM

Eric,
thanks for posting.
At $45k, nobody is throwing nothing "in"! JMHO.

cirelaw · 08-03-2017, 10:39 AM

I wondered why Bob is pairing the wrong holster and gun? It would be interesting what he would price them separately~ Thank You Both!

cirelaw · 08-03-2017, 10:57 AM

I wondered is the mag started out as a Swiss and added a Powell device?

cirelaw · 08-03-2017, 11:05 AM

The Powell Device~ http://www.historicalfirearms.info/p...he-us-army-was

Ron Wood · 08-03-2017, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I wondered is the mag started out as a Swiss and added a Powell device?

It is possible, but in addition to the slot and indicator you have to modify the follower and the spine of the magazine at the top. It is difficult to do it right and most attempts so far have not been done well.

cirelaw · 08-03-2017, 01:06 PM

Ron, do you know why only 50 were made. I would thing they would be a commercial unique success~

Ron Wood · 08-03-2017, 01:52 PM

There were only 50 made because that is all the contract called for. Although it looks snazzy, the cartridge counter grip is rather fragile, the number strip tends to fade and discolor, plus the isinglass/celluloid window is easily broken or turns yellow. Not a recipe for commercial success. On the other hand, the limited production and link to US history makes it a collector success!

Lugerdoc · 08-04-2017, 10:58 AM

If a cartridge counter luger were to be made today, a more practical approach would be to cut the viewing slot in the right, vise left, grip and use the mag follower button of a standard PO8 mag as the counter. I recently saw a set of standard PO8 grips so modified in the For Sale section. TH

ithacaartist · 08-04-2017, 01:21 PM

That fragility of the cut out grip makes sense. The forces of shooting, with a firm hold on the grips, are brought to bear on the thin, raised areas on the inside, fronts of the panels, to repeatedly shove them against the frame. It is logical that a grip that leaves only a thin strip of wood in front of the cutout would be vulnerable.

cirelaw · 08-20-2017, 01:42 PM

Were they all shipped to Bannermans for sale either through catalog or in store in NYC?

cirelaw · 08-20-2017, 02:05 PM

To get it right~

08-02-2017, 08:34 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Unusual Mark On Cartridge Counter While grazing Bobs' site, I noticed a cartridge Counter with an unusual proof. I wrote Bob he claims its either a proof or inspectors mark on the mag and assured it to be legit 'Interesting". Any guess! http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=52623 PS I don;t know why he is throwing in a 1900 US Test Holster when he has 3 test lugers for sale! Attached Thumbnails

08-03-2017, 10:23 AM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Eric, thanks for posting. At $45k, nobody is throwing nothing "in"! JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-03-2017, 10:57 AM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I wondered is the mag started out as a Swiss and added a Powell device? Attached Thumbnails

08-03-2017, 01:52 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,019 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,173 Times in 1,701 Posts	There were only 50 made because that is all the contract called for. Although it looks snazzy, the cartridge counter grip is rather fragile, the number strip tends to fade and discolor, plus the isinglass/celluloid window is easily broken or turns yellow. Not a recipe for commercial success. On the other hand, the limited production and link to US history makes it a collector success! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-04-2017, 10:58 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	If a cartridge counter luger were to be made today, a more practical approach would be to cut the viewing slot in the right, vise left, grip and use the mag follower button of a standard PO8 mag as the counter. I recently saw a set of standard PO8 grips so modified in the For Sale section. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-03-2017, 10:39 AM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I wondered why Bob is pairing the wrong holster and gun? It would be interesting what he would price them separately~ Thank You Both!

08-03-2017, 11:05 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The Powell Device~ http://www.historicalfirearms.info/p...he-us-army-was

08-03-2017, 01:06 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron, do you know why only 50 were made. I would thing they would be a commercial unique success~

08-04-2017, 01:21 PM	#11
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,339 Thanks: 7,263 Thanked 2,564 Times in 1,362 Posts	That fragility of the cut out grip makes sense. The forces of shooting, with a firm hold on the grips, are brought to bear on the thin, raised areas on the inside, fronts of the panels, to repeatedly shove them against the frame. It is logical that a grip that leaves only a thin strip of wood in front of the cutout would be vulnerable. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

08-20-2017, 01:42 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Were they all shipped to Bannermans for sale either through catalog or in store in NYC?

08-20-2017, 02:05 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	To get it right~ Attached Thumbnails