Vickers On Auction...

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2004, 11:47 AM

...always nice to see Vickers in a variety of condition :

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6006141

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2004, 12:05 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />...the gun apears to be in almost new condition, 99+% Blue <hr /></blockquote>Hard for me to believe that it has not been restored. It is a very nice gun, but the dutch guns I have seen have universally had a lot of wear with few exceptions.

Also, look at the toggle with the Vickers LTD, the proof / acceptance is pretty smeared looking, could be the picture, could be the refinish that I bet occured at some point.

Value would depend on the reserve?

Ed

Ron Wood · 08-20-2004, 03:38 PM

C'mon guys, you know it is refinished. Look at the evidence of rust pits in the frame where the "million dollar chip" is missing from the left grip, the uneven border around the rear frame ramp, and the total lack of wear on any of the blue but having a rubbed place in the straw of the thumb safety. The seller does not claim 98+% ORIGINAL blue, because it isn't. I seriously doubt that this finish even dates from the 1933 rework. A Vickers is great to find in any condition, and this one is very nice, but it is not represented as original and even though it looks mint it should fetch nowhere near the price of a 98% original finish example.

Herb · 08-20-2004, 03:41 PM

To me it appears correct for the arsnel refinished model, the matte finish is correct for that model. The one thing that I noticed is the lack of the dutch acceptance stamping which should be apparent on the left side of the reciever. Sure is a nice looking one, most Vickers look like they were drug behind a truck in rusty gravel.

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2004, 03:45 PM

sorry Ron, thought I was being helpful by pointing out that it had been refinished.

Ron Wood · 08-20-2004, 03:49 PM

Nothin' to be sorry about, you were right in my opinion. I was just being a bit more positive in my observation that it was refinished. Herb does have a point that it appears to be the correct matte finish, but I am not sure that it was applied as far back as 1933.

Edward Tinker · 08-20-2004, 03:56 PM

Sometimes I stretch, as I get out of my limited knowledge!

And I wouldn't mind owning this dutchie, it is a nice one, but I thought maybe too nice for a period arsenal refinish?

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2004, 04:03 PM

Anyone have a guess as to the unit markings on the brass side plate ? (Sorry, I am away from the books...)

Think they read as " RI 2T. h.w. 68 "...

I too noticed the slight evidence of the Crown/W stamping on the left side of the receiver, ahead of the side plate. Photo may be bad...but it appears to show not much remaining of the stamp.

I did like the remenants of fire-blue remaining on the sear bar, toggle pin, and front sight blade...nice touches for a restored piece.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-20-2004, 11:47 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Vickers On Auction... ...always nice to see Vickers in a variety of condition : http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6006141

08-20-2004, 12:05 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">...the gun apears to be in almost new condition, 99+% Blue </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hard for me to believe that it has not been restored. It is a very nice gun, but the dutch guns I have seen have universally had a lot of wear with few exceptions. Also, look at the toggle with the Vickers LTD, the proof / acceptance is pretty smeared looking, could be the picture, could be the refinish that I bet occured at some point. Value would depend on the reserve? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-20-2004, 03:38 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,010 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,149 Times in 1,694 Posts	C'mon guys, you know it is refinished. Look at the evidence of rust pits in the frame where the "million dollar chip" is missing from the left grip, the uneven border around the rear frame ramp, and the total lack of wear on any of the blue but having a rubbed place in the straw of the thumb safety. The seller does not claim 98+% ORIGINAL blue, because it isn't. I seriously doubt that this finish even dates from the 1933 rework. A Vickers is great to find in any condition, and this one is very nice, but it is not represented as original and even though it looks mint it should fetch nowhere near the price of a 98% original finish example. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-20-2004, 03:41 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	To me it appears correct for the arsnel refinished model, the matte finish is correct for that model. The one thing that I noticed is the lack of the dutch acceptance stamping which should be apparent on the left side of the reciever. Sure is a nice looking one, most Vickers look like they were drug behind a truck in rusty gravel. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-20-2004, 03:45 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	sorry Ron, thought I was being helpful by pointing out that it had been refinished. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-20-2004, 03:49 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,010 Thanks: 1,088 Thanked 5,149 Times in 1,694 Posts	Nothin' to be sorry about, you were right in my opinion. I was just being a bit more positive in my observation that it was refinished. Herb does have a point that it appears to be the correct matte finish, but I am not sure that it was applied as far back as 1933. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-20-2004, 03:56 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	Sometimes I stretch, as I get out of my limited knowledge! And I wouldn't mind owning this dutchie, it is a nice one, but I thought maybe too nice for a period arsenal refinish? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-20-2004, 04:03 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Anyone have a guess as to the unit markings on the brass side plate ? (Sorry, I am away from the books...) Think they read as " RI 2T. h.w. 68 "... I too noticed the slight evidence of the Crown/W stamping on the left side of the receiver, ahead of the side plate. Photo may be bad...but it appears to show not much remaining of the stamp. I did like the remenants of fire-blue remaining on the sear bar, toggle pin, and front sight blade...nice touches for a restored piece. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />