Krieghoff Luger holster - What are these holes?

WarGunFan · 02-11-2015, 01:54 PM

I just bought a Krieghoff holster and for the second time I've see a square pattern of four round impressions between the belt loops. They look like plugged holes. Anyone seen these before or know what they are for?

Norme · 02-11-2015, 02:00 PM

Hi Mark, At the end of WWII the Germans left a lot of military equipment in Norway. The Norwegians adapted the Luger holsters for the GI belt clip, hence the holes. The belt loops on your holster are replacements.
Regards, Norm

WarGunFan · 02-11-2015, 02:09 PM

Thanks Norm. Any info on why four holes instead of just two or who might have plugged the holes (they are well done.)? Thanks very much for the info.

Norme · 02-11-2015, 03:01 PM

Hi Mark, I don't know why 4 holes instead of 2, maybe the Norwegians used a different clip? Quite a few of these reconverted holsters have been showing up on Ebay in the last year or so, they all have 4 plugged holes. I don't know what the effect on value is, but it's not positive.
Regards, Norm

George Anderson · 02-11-2015, 03:20 PM

Four rivet leather foundation upon which to stabilize the US GI Bail (hooks) attachment.

WarGunFan · 02-11-2015, 06:31 PM

So these were rivet holes to mount a piece of leather containing the US GI wire bail, right?

WarGunFan · 02-11-2015, 06:36 PM

I suspect the value of these holsters are somewhat less than an unmodified holster in like condition. But considering the rarity of Krieghoff holsters it shouldn't devalue them very much. IMO

George Anderson · 02-11-2015, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarGunFan

So these were rivet holes to mount a piece of leather containing the US GI wire bail, right?

Correct

cirelaw · 02-11-2015, 07:38 PM

I took mine to compare. The most striking is the white thread on the rear straps, they should be black all over. The stitching looks good and tight! Are there any Krieghoff proofs inside? To make it correct I would use Jerry Burney to restich the rear straps to black~ Eric

WarGunFan · 02-11-2015, 08:32 PM

Yes, the Kreighoff eagle/2 proof is stamped into the inside of the holster. May I ask; what is Jerry Burney? Thanks

Lugerdoc · 02-12-2015, 10:17 AM

Most of these were either restored by Frank ? in NY, or by Charlie Justmann after Frank passed. TH

wlyon · 02-12-2015, 10:36 AM

Jerry Burney is (lugerholsterrepair) on this forum. He is the best at repairing holsters correctly. You will not be disappointed. Bill

cirelaw · 02-12-2015, 12:14 PM

Note the Kriegoff marking~

Vlim · 02-12-2015, 02:10 PM

This illustrates the Norwegian conversion.

WarGunFan · 02-12-2015, 08:36 PM

Thanks to everyone for the great info! What a great tool this is for the education and enlightenment of Luger collectors! How do I go about getting a message to Jerry Burney? Thanks again.

cirelaw · 02-12-2015, 08:46 PM

I sent an email to Jerry I'm sure he will be in touch

lugerholsterrepair · 02-12-2015, 09:12 PM

Mark, Took a look at your holster..Thanks Eric! Thanks Bill! These conversions do not do any favors for rare holsters..I have a Krieghoff holster myself that has suffered the same fate. One without this conversion could be VERY valuable..some thousands. With the conversion..a lot less. Your belt loops don't look that terrible. They are not stitched quite as good as they were originally, and I can't tell how thick they are. But whoever did them didn't completely muck up the job. These holsters were made with black thread..To keep from spending some money..since it's been converted..you may want to consider just blackening the white thread?

cirelaw · 02-12-2015, 09:55 PM

Would black shoe polish and a q-tip do the trick?

wlyon · 02-12-2015, 11:43 PM

Black leather dye and a Q tip. Bill

WarGunFan · 02-13-2015, 02:58 PM

Anyone know what a mid to late war Krieghoff holster should look like? I've been told they won't look as fine as the early contract holsters. I was told that the Krieghoff factory was scraping the barrel for leather scraps by this time (44/45) and that the holsters had mixed leathers; for example smooth leather outside/pebble grain on the inside. Does anyone have info or photos? All help is greatly appreciated!

02-11-2015, 01:54 PM	#1
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Krieghoff Luger holster - What are these holes? I just bought a Krieghoff holster and for the second time I've see a square pattern of four round impressions between the belt loops. They look like plugged holes. Anyone seen these before or know what they are for? Attached Thumbnails

02-12-2015, 10:17 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Most of these were either restored by Frank ? in NY, or by Charlie Justmann after Frank passed. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-12-2015, 10:36 AM	#12
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Jerry Burney is (lugerholsterrepair) on this forum. He is the best at repairing holsters correctly. You will not be disappointed. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-12-2015, 12:14 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres A Pretty One! Note the Kriegoff marking~ Attached Thumbnails

02-12-2015, 02:10 PM	#14
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	This illustrates the Norwegian conversion. Attached Images

02-11-2015, 02:00 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Mark, At the end of WWII the Germans left a lot of military equipment in Norway. The Norwegians adapted the Luger holsters for the GI belt clip, hence the holes. The belt loops on your holster are replacements. Regards, Norm

02-11-2015, 02:09 PM	#3
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks Norm. Any info on why four holes instead of just two or who might have plugged the holes (they are well done.)? Thanks very much for the info.

02-11-2015, 03:01 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Mark, I don't know why 4 holes instead of 2, maybe the Norwegians used a different clip? Quite a few of these reconverted holsters have been showing up on Ebay in the last year or so, they all have 4 plugged holes. I don't know what the effect on value is, but it's not positive. Regards, Norm

02-11-2015, 03:20 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	Four rivet leather foundation upon which to stabilize the US GI Bail (hooks) attachment.

02-11-2015, 06:31 PM	#6
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	So these were rivet holes to mount a piece of leather containing the US GI wire bail, right?

02-11-2015, 06:36 PM	#7
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I suspect the value of these holsters are somewhat less than an unmodified holster in like condition. But considering the rarity of Krieghoff holsters it shouldn't devalue them very much. IMO

02-11-2015, 07:38 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I took mine to compare. The most striking is the white thread on the rear straps, they should be black all over. The stitching looks good and tight! Are there any Krieghoff proofs inside? To make it correct I would use Jerry Burney to restich the rear straps to black~ Eric

02-11-2015, 08:32 PM	#10
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Yes, the Kreighoff eagle/2 proof is stamped into the inside of the holster. May I ask; what is Jerry Burney? Thanks

02-12-2015, 08:36 PM	#15
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks to everyone for the great info! What a great tool this is for the education and enlightenment of Luger collectors! How do I go about getting a message to Jerry Burney? Thanks again.

02-12-2015, 08:46 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I sent an email to Jerry I'm sure he will be in touch

02-12-2015, 09:12 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,771 Thanks: 4,926 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mark, Took a look at your holster..Thanks Eric! Thanks Bill! These conversions do not do any favors for rare holsters..I have a Krieghoff holster myself that has suffered the same fate. One without this conversion could be VERY valuable..some thousands. With the conversion..a lot less. Your belt loops don't look that terrible. They are not stitched quite as good as they were originally, and I can't tell how thick they are. But whoever did them didn't completely muck up the job. These holsters were made with black thread..To keep from spending some money..since it's been converted..you may want to consider just blackening the white thread? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-12-2015, 09:55 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Would black shoe polish and a q-tip do the trick?

02-12-2015, 11:43 PM	#19
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,633 Thanks: 3,173 Thanked 2,555 Times in 954 Posts	Black leather dye and a Q tip. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-13-2015, 02:58 PM	#20
WarGunFan User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cocoa, Florida Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Anyone know what a mid to late war Krieghoff holster should look like? I've been told they won't look as fine as the early contract holsters. I was told that the Krieghoff factory was scraping the barrel for leather scraps by this time (44/45) and that the holsters had mixed leathers; for example smooth leather outside/pebble grain on the inside. Does anyone have info or photos? All help is greatly appreciated!